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Forums - Sales Discussion - Japan sales (Week 25) Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - June 18 - June 24, 2018

NintendoPie said:
NoCtiS_NoX said: 

Media Create

Model Sales Last week Last Year YTD Last YTD LTD
Switch 48,944 48,062 22,361 1,166,378 1,014,020 4,478,997
PS4 20,295 25,138 25,680 971,052 775,638 6,863,455
3DS 6,812 7,052 14,729 272,226 670,492 24,095,005
Vita 2,163 3,099 4,077 103,052 207,583 5,890,932
Xbone 547 786 265 8,482 4,478 96,918
All 78,761 84,137 67,463 2,521,190 2,703,632 41,425,307

Switch @ 49k compared to 22k same week LY. A better stock situation and the collection of releases certainly increased the baseline. Good show. And with all the arguing in this thread about MHW's massive effect on the PS4's, a look should be taken at this HW LY to now comp. The baseline should be higher, but MHW just had a peak effect. I'm not going to argue if MHW did very well, because it did, but it definitely didn't increase the longevity of PS4's selling based on this comp alone.

And that is almost exactly what I'm saying and agreeing with. Only, I get backlash for having had the expectation of it doing more (over time).



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OTBWY said:
Farsala said:

@bold, and why would you think that? In 4-5 weeks with a tiny price point MH Generations sold.

[3DS] Monster Hunter Generations # (Capcom) {2015.11.28} (¥5.800) - 2.521.859

For the entire next year it sold

[3DS] Monster Hunter Generations # (Capcom) {2015.11.28} (¥5.800) - 266.126 / 2.787.985

Mostly of course at the beginning of the year during post holiday boost.

Monster Hunter World on the other hand in 4-5 ish weeks.

[PS4] Monster Hunter: World # - (Capcom) {2018.01.26} (¥8.980) 53,982 85,322 1,890,273

And ~700k digital.

Sales since then :

2, 006, 158 at least as of week 16 and >~150k digital

 

TLDR: It is performing pretty normal for a MH game, despite the high price point.

Like some others have said, i'd like to see more data from other MH games, pref ones that aren't spinoffs *and* I would like to know what other games were releasing for those games on the same platform, in about the same time period from the PS4 MHW release and now.

It would be pretty unfair either way due to differing release dates so legs will be variable. MH generations still plays like a MH so I don't think it is a spinoff unless MHW is a spinoff too.

MH4 shipped 3.9m in Japan in over 3 months including holiday season, its legs were only shipped 200k in the next 3 months. Similar to MHW legs.

MH4G sold in ~3 months

[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate #  {2014.10.11} (¥6.264) 2.345.260 / 2.345.260

MH4G legs in an entire year were

[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥5.800) - 212.215 / 2.557.475

So again same exact story. MHW legs are pretty much the exact same as other MH releases, if not better.

 



NintendoPie said:

Switch @ 49k compared to 22k same week LY. A better stock situation and the collection of releases certainly increased the baseline. Good show. And with all the arguing in this thread about MHW's massive effect on the PS4's, a look should be taken at this HW LY to now comp. The baseline should be higher, but MHW just had a peak effect. I'm not going to argue if MHW did very well, because it did, but it definitely didn't increase the longevity of PS4's selling based on this comp alone.

For longevity what do you mean? 
My question are: what will be the sales of PS4 without MHW this year? I am willng to bet it will not be 20K this week. 
and why would you think it should be higher after 5 months MHW was released?

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Farsala said:
OTBWY said:

Like some others have said, i'd like to see more data from other MH games, pref ones that aren't spinoffs *and* I would like to know what other games were releasing for those games on the same platform, in about the same time period from the PS4 MHW release and now.

It would be pretty unfair either way due to differing release dates so legs will be variable. MH generations still plays like a MH so I don't think it is a spinoff unless MHW is a spinoff too.

MH4 shipped 3.9m in Japan in over 3 months including holiday season, its legs were only shipped 200k in the next 3 months. Similar to MHW legs.

MH4G sold in ~3 months

[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate #  {2014.10.11} (¥6.264) 2.345.260 / 2.345.260

MH4G legs in an entire year were

[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥5.800) - 212.215 / 2.557.475

So again same exact story. MHW legs are pretty much the exact same as other MH releases, if not better.

 

But then again, what games released in the same timeframe? You see, it is difficult to compare this to other releases. For one, I believed this (MHW) would have sold better no matter what and second, not having other big releases (big releases that would typically sell in Japan). A lot of things factor in. Prices for example (which could disprove my point). My conclusion was that it would continue selling relatively higher than it did, over a longer period. I do agree with the first sentence.



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OTBWY said:
Farsala said:

It would be pretty unfair either way due to differing release dates so legs will be variable. MH generations still plays like a MH so I don't think it is a spinoff unless MHW is a spinoff too.

MH4 shipped 3.9m in Japan in over 3 months including holiday season, its legs were only shipped 200k in the next 3 months. Similar to MHW legs.

MH4G sold in ~3 months

[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate #  {2014.10.11} (¥6.264) 2.345.260 / 2.345.260

MH4G legs in an entire year were

[3DS] Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate # (Capcom) {2014.10.11} (¥5.800) - 212.215 / 2.557.475

So again same exact story. MHW legs are pretty much the exact same as other MH releases, if not better.

 

But then again, what games released in the same timeframe? You see, it is difficult to compare this to other releases. For one, I believed this (MHW) would have sold better no matter what and second, not having other big releases (big releases that would typically sell in Japan). A lot of things factor in. Prices for example (which could disprove my point). My conclusion was that it would continue selling relatively higher than it did, over a longer period. I do agree with the first sentence.

Well when we can argue yet another factor for example attach ratio, it would seem that MHW has the biggest disadvantage. MHW has about a 40% attach ratio, compared to most MH's only doing about 10-20% attach ratio. Saturation point is at its highest for PS4 MH fans. But I have already argued for those things multiple times before. My point is the legs are quite standard, and one shouldn't expect too much more from MHW.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
NintendoPie said:

Switch @ 49k compared to 22k same week LY. A better stock situation and the collection of releases certainly increased the baseline. Good show. And with all the arguing in this thread about MHW's massive effect on the PS4's, a look should be taken at this HW LY to now comp. The baseline should be higher, but MHW just had a peak effect. I'm not going to argue if MHW did very well, because it did, but it definitely didn't increase the longevity of PS4's selling based on this comp alone.

For longevity what do you mean? 
My question are: what will be the sales of PS4 without MHW this year? I am willng to bet it will not be 20K this week. 
and why would you think it should be higher after 5 months MHW was released?

If i recall, a few months ago a handful of people were saying MHW would increase the baseline of PS4 throughout the rest of the year and overall sales this year would be considerably up YoY which is the opposite of what some of them are saying now.



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zorg1000 said:
NoCtiS_NoX said:

For longevity what do you mean? 
My question are: what will be the sales of PS4 without MHW this year? I am willng to bet it will not be 20K this week. 
and why would you think it should be higher after 5 months MHW was released?

If i recall, a few months ago a handful of people were saying MHW would increase the baseline of PS4 throughout the rest of the year and overall sales this year would be considerably up YoY which is the opposite of what some of them are saying now.

Then they don't know what there talking about and setting themselves for a disappointment.



NoCtiS_NoX said:
zorg1000 said:

If i recall, a few months ago a handful of people were saying MHW would increase the baseline of PS4 throughout the rest of the year and overall sales this year would be considerably up YoY which is the opposite of what some of them are saying now.

Then they don't know what there talking about and setting themselves for a disappointment.

Agreed and thats what i tried saying back then, Q1 would be great but Q2-4 would likely return to previous baseline or even decline (Q3 had DQXI last year) resulting in overall sales being relatively the same as 2016/2017.



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