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Teeqoz on 11 June 2018
DonFerrari said:
Teeqoz said:

When did I resort to name calling?

Just because Steam has more marketshare than the Windows Store doesn't mean that MS can't gain marketshare. And they don't have to be the market leader. The Steve Balmer "All or nothing" era of Microsoft is over. They make loads of money from Bing even though they are far behind Google. I'm sure they'll be okay with a profitable gaming business even if they aren't the market leader.

Calling someone short sighted.

Haven't said they can't gain marketshare, I said that at this moment they have very little. So they will keep needing consoles sales for play anywhere or even gamepass to do good.

Saying that you are being short sighted is not name calling. I didn't make any condemnation about your personality - I merely pointed out that you were thinking in the short term on this particular issue. Microsoft's first party games have been releasing on PC for several years, and the Xbox One is still selling, so I think they'll be fine. Let's be honest - the Xbox One's slow-ish sales have little to do with Microsoft's 1st party games being avaliable on PC.



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DonFerrari on 11 June 2018
Teeqoz said:
DonFerrari said:

Calling someone short sighted.

Haven't said they can't gain marketshare, I said that at this moment they have very little. So they will keep needing consoles sales for play anywhere or even gamepass to do good.

Saying that you are being short sighted is not name calling. I didn't make any condemnation about your personality - I merely pointed out that you were thinking in the short term on this particular issue. Microsoft's first party games have been releasing on PC for several years, and the Xbox One is still selling, so I think they'll be fine. Let's be honest - the Xbox One's slow-ish sales have little to do with Microsoft's 1st party games being avaliable on PC.

Since when name calling and ad homine restricts to personality?

You assumed shot term thinking and adjectified that.

Xbox is still selling, not great. And they keep it selling, which shows they still need the consoles, which contradicts your own claim of seeing short term.

Haven't said Xbox slow sales have to do with their games being available in PC (although you can't prove the opposite, as you said "have little to do"). I said that they will keep needing consoles sales to get royalties on their games because so far they won't get much royalties from 3rd parties on PC.



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Azzanation on 11 June 2018
EspadaGrim said:
Azzanation said:
I wonder with there new studio Initiative, if they will give them a old IP to work on as a practice game, like the Coalition with Gears 4 and Playground with the rumoured Fable 4. Curious to know if this studio might handle the next Perfect Dark game.. Yeah I know, I am dying for a PD game, and I am not giving up hope.

The Initiative is working on a new IP that is confirmed on Job listings.

I am heart broken.. but thanks for the update



EspadaGrim on 11 June 2018
Azzanation said:
EspadaGrim said:

The Initiative is working on a new IP that is confirmed on Job listings.

I am heart broken.. but thanks for the update

Perfect Dark will happen, the best candidates for it are a second Coalition team or Remedy IMO.



Manlytears on 11 June 2018
DonFerrari said:
Manlytears said:

To me MS just acquired 3 studios.

PGG - they are expanding this one so they can work on FH and other open world rpg (Fable?). We are going to see great things here.

The initiative - the hype on this one is big, AAAA games is a bold call, i hope they can deliver.

NT - they are small, but damn they can make good games whit small budget! These guys will deliver good games, just don't know if we are going to see big games every 3-4 years or 1-2 mid tier games, short development time, that will that will be tauted as AAA games. The games are going to be good, that for sure.

The other 2... cannon fodder.... They are only good for "list wars" and "pissing contests", but... this can change, i think...

 

Anyway, this is a step in the correct direction. They are still well behind Sony, but they sure got closer, i mean... they almost 2x their current number os studios, right?

A new studio delivering an AAAA, they really said that??? Because that very high aim is a certain recipe for failure.

https://m.windowscentral.com/chime-will-microsofts-new-aaaa-studio-fix-xboxs-lineup-woes?_ga=2.132039247.1746402672.1528730107-amp-z-ZC3uORUF6ifMgyy5iuTQ

I have to Agree whit you, the AAAA stuff can become a huge failure, but they are trying at least, and they sure got a chance to deliver something great.



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Teeqoz on 11 June 2018
DonFerrari said:
Teeqoz said:

Saying that you are being short sighted is not name calling. I didn't make any condemnation about your personality - I merely pointed out that you were thinking in the short term on this particular issue. Microsoft's first party games have been releasing on PC for several years, and the Xbox One is still selling, so I think they'll be fine. Let's be honest - the Xbox One's slow-ish sales have little to do with Microsoft's 1st party games being avaliable on PC.

Since when name calling and ad homine restricts to personality?

You assumed shot term thinking and adjectified that.

Xbox is still selling, not great. And they keep it selling, which shows they still need the consoles, which contradicts your own claim of seeing short term.

Haven't said Xbox slow sales have to do with their games being available in PC (although you can't prove the opposite, as you said "have little to do"). I said that they will keep needing consoles sales to get royalties on their games because so far they won't get much royalties from 3rd parties on PC.

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

Are you saying that I'm avoiding genuine discussion of the topic by attacking your character, motive or another attribute of you? I made a comment about your standpoint in this specific case, and I explained why. That's not an ad hominem attack. Perhaps if all I wrote was "You're short sighted", you could argue that it was an ad hominem, but that wasn't the case.

I never said console sales don't matter at all to MS. I said that they were broadening their gaming footprint, and that hardware sales don't matter if the increase gaming revenues from other sources, and I expect Microsoft (and Sony and Nintendo) to eventually become less reliant on hardware sales for their gaming revenue. If all you wanted to point out was that Microsoft's gaming division currently still is very reliant on hardware sales, you didn't really need to reply to me. I never said otherwise (in fact, I explicitly stated that hardware sales are currently an important source of users they can sell games and services too). I made some comments about what I expect from the future.



Manlytears on 11 June 2018
Faelco said:
DonFerrari said:

A new studio delivering an AAAA, they really said that??? Because that very high aim is a certain recipe for failure.

And what is an AAAA? Wasn't "AAAA" used for the first time for Destiny? Is it a way to measure overhype and  the related disappointment then? 

Yup, destiny is one of the so called "AAAA". Will MS so caled "A AAA" game suceed? I don't know. Imho, the odds are aginst then cause they are trying too hard to make money on GAAS, but they sure got a chance to deli ver a great si called "AAAA"

And what is AAAA? I Realy don't know for sure. Perhaps it's something related to costs to produce the game or the the cutting edge technology to create the game or, maybe, it's just PR bullshit.

Sincerely, i would not be surprised if microsft creates a regular "AAA" game and started tauting "AAAA". I can see this PR move from a mile.

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yvanjean on 11 June 2018
thismeintiel said:
Teeqoz said:

Microsoft doesn't care if you give them money through the Windows Store or on Xbox...

True. But, it does make it less necessary to buy a XBO/XB2. And this is from the very start of the gen. Not a few years after having true exclusives. Can't be good for HW sales. 

Royalties on games sales, Xbox Live and Gamepass subscription is what bring in money to Microsoft not HW sales. If Microsoft now consider both their Xbox consoles and Windows PC has their user base it means they always have a larger install based then simply Xbox Console. When they make the switch to XB2, most of the Windows install base will remain intact. 



DirtyP2002 on 11 June 2018
DonFerrari said:
Teeqoz said:

When did I resort to name calling?

Just because Steam has more marketshare than the Windows Store doesn't mean that MS can't gain marketshare. And they don't have to be the market leader. The Steve Balmer "All or nothing" era of Microsoft is over. They make loads of money from Bing even though they are far behind Google. I'm sure they'll be okay with a profitable gaming business even if they aren't the market leader.

Calling someone short sighted.

Haven't said they can't gain marketshare, I said that at this moment they have very little. So they will keep needing consoles sales for play anywhere or even gamepass to do good.

DirtyP2002 said:

AAAA was used in a job ad posted to make sure every candidate knows that this is big budget stuff and the goal is to create a franchise that fits well besides Halo, Gears, Forza or Fable.

Neither of those 4 are AAAA.

Of course not, no game is AAAA. It is over the top so that people know, that they are ambitious.
Don't make a big deal out of thin air.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4A_Games

Look, the Metro guys even called themselves AAAA



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

yvanjean on 11 June 2018

Raviel said:
- The Initiative is cool since it's completely new so it will be exciting to see where they go.
Gallagher joined Microsoft Studios executive leadership team in April. Prior to his joining Microsoft, he spent two years with Activision as senior vice president and a decade at Crystal Dynamics. His work at Crystal culminated in his work rebooting the studio’s 2013 “Tomb Raider” reboot, which focused more on survival and delivering a more grounded and mature story. Gallagher also worked at Rockstar, Sony, and THQ over the life of his career.
- Ninja Theory was unexpected but very welcome have yet to play Hellblade but I want to. Hopefully, they secure the talent for a few years, lets see what they can do next.
- Playground isn't really a surprise, I think we all saw that coming eventually but they were working on something other than Forza, right? Like, right now? Think I saw job listings about something other than Forza Horizon. At least I hope they aren't stuck on Forza Horizon. They are working on Fable 4.
- Undead Labs, a little mixed bag for me since I love State of Decay but I've only heard mediocre things about the second one, could be great though. I played over 25 hours of State of Decay 2, It's an amazing game. I expected the game to be AAA but it turn out to simply improved version of State of Decay. Fortunately, with bigger development budget State of Decay 3 can be a AAA game. 
- Compulsion Games, why though? We Happy Few had very mixed reception did it not? Granted, it was in early access but still. What else have they done? (looking it up as I write) Contrast? Okay, I remember this one but I don't know why it warrants an acquisition. The game hasn't come out yet, But just look at the work they have accomplish and the talent at the studios. The studio struggle financially, now they got the funding to prove themselves. We happy few is expected to do much better then Contrast. Should be getting acclaims for art works and animations.

 

All in all, good acquisitions but I'm still confused about Undead Labs and Compulsion, I guess they wanted some smaller studios.