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KBG29 said: and Switch will start to plato

 

 

Ummm, I don't think so...



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no way

PS4 will have legs for some more years



Bofferbrauer2 said:
quickrick said:

5.33 is for europe and the rest of the word. As for ps4 its been selling amazing in europe since it came out,  we have to assume its till selling great till we have evidence suggesting its not. as for why europe is trailing in japan obviously november/december in europe will be much bigger then japan regular monthly sales.   

So you're expecting over 10% of the Shipments going to RoW? Also, how about this one, page 14? Income from Switch in Japan until March 31: 171 Million Yen, Europe 193 Million Yen. Europe is clearly pulling ahead now. And yes I know that's Hardware plus software, but there's no reason to assume a high difference in attach rate between the two.

Also, we don't have to assume that the PS4 still sells as well in Europe as it did before, as saturation is slowly setting in. Not that it's selling bad now, just probably slower. It will certainly still be outselling the Switch 90% of the time there this year, but probably with a diminishing lead.

@italic: had to reread several times to understand what you're saying there. Yes holiday season is bigger in Europe than it is in Japan, but that's beside the point, which is that before the holidays Europe was selling very slowly - less than 25k weekly obviously, as otherwise it would have outsold Japan then already - but that's a thing of the past now, as shown above. 

switch was stock limited, so many place in the world nintendo still hasn't even launched, so it would be getting some nice shipments WW. as for income its very close, and japan had shortages the whole year, also europe will sell more software overall. now compare those income numbers to the americas.

as for Europe having a diminishing lead, get real. ps4 is beating switch in north america, and ps4 does much better in europe, while switch in north america is doing much better in europe, so think about that for a bit. 



PortisheadBiscuit said:
KBG29 said: and Switch will start to plato

 

 

Ummm, I don't think so...

Oh, how about Plateau?



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Hiku said:
Mnementh said:

Yes, PS4 will probably miss most of the handheld-level support, but it will get the same japanese and indie games (maybe even more, not sure here), 

You're really not sure if PS4 will get more Japanese support?
I didn't think that was a question. If we're talking about console-level games rather than games that would normally come out on 3DS or it's successor?

Whenever a Japanese third party console level game is announced (that doesn't have an exclusivity deal) it's a given that the PS4 logo will appear at the end of the trailer.
The same can not be said for the Switch logo up until this point. When it does occur it's been the exception rather than the rule. For every Valkyria Chronicles 4, there are multiple cases like Dead or Alive 6 where the Switch logo is absent.

I'll still give it another year to see how the situation improves, because I think it will, but even in a best case scenario it's hard to imagine it being a question if PS4 will get better Japanese support. And certainly not at this point when virtually every PS4 port Switch has gotten has either been a cross generational title with PS3/360 and/or a situation where the framerate could be cut in half. And most games do not run at 60f on PS4.

You're right. That drives through my point even more, that Switch will not reach PS4-levels of 3rd-party support.



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Hiku said:
Mnementh said:

Yes, PS4 will probably miss most of the handheld-level support, but it will get the same japanese and indie games (maybe even more, not sure here), 

You're really not sure if PS4 will get more Japanese support?
I didn't think that was a question. If we're talking about console-level games rather than games that would normally come out on 3DS or it's successor?

Whenever a Japanese third party console level game is announced (that doesn't have an exclusivity deal) it's a given that the PS4 logo will appear at the end of the trailer.
The same can not be said for the Switch logo up until this point. When it does occur it's been the exception rather than the rule. For every Valkyria Chronicles 4, there are multiple cases like Dead or Alive 6 where the Switch logo is absent.

I'll still give it another year to see how the situation improves, because I think it will, but even in a best case scenario it's hard to imagine it being a question if PS4 will get better Japanese support. And certainly not at this point when virtually every PS4 port Switch has gotten has either been a cross generational title with PS3/360 and/or a situation where the framerate could be cut in half. And most games do not run at 60f on PS4.

This was probably true last year, when the publishers were wary after the Wii U's failure, but by now it's more and more becoming the exception rather than the rule. With PS4 sales plateauing in Japan ans Switch Pacmaning the sales there, there's just little incentive to leave out the Switch anymore, even moreso since sales worldwide are not very far apart between the two.



HoangNhatAnh said:
LethalP said:

Two of those are exclusives made for Switch, which is technically third party support but I was talking multiplat support of major AAA games.

WiiU got Batman Arkham City, CoD, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect. Nintendo fans were bragging about third party support being adequate, but it didn't last. Nor did it ever really have full fledged support even in the beginning, nor does the Switch.

Tell me why Switch didn't get Mass Effect Andromeda, Ghost Recon, For Honor, Sniper Elite 4, Prey, Injustice 2, Shadow Warrior 2, Tekken 7, Dirt 4, Hellblade, Destiny 2, Shadow Of War, The Evil Within 2, CoD WWII, Battlefront II, Assassin's Creed Origins, Monster Hunter World, Far Cry 5, A Way Out, The Crew 2, Agony, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Shadow Of The Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Red Dead Redemption 2, CoD Black Ops 4, Battlefield V, Avengers game and many more, yet all of these come to PS4 and Xbox One almost as an obligation? There's something wrong when a system projected to outsell Xbox One in the next 24 months isn't getting the bulk of major releases in any given year. So far Switch hasn't gotten one of the major selling titles in 2018. Why? If Switch is such a fertile ground for third parties then why the fuck is this the case? 

 

 

Multiplat? PC is the best for that, Switch have it own unique exclusive games not the same games like other systems. Also, Monster Hunter World? I'd rather it never come out to Switch, straight hack and slash for casual with contents, monsters, weapons = 1/3 Monster Hunter XX. Keep that casual thing out of Switch!

 "Tell me why Switch didn't get Mass Effect Andromeda, Ghost Recon, For Honor, Sniper Elite 4, Prey, Injustice 2, Shadow Warrior 2, Tekken 7, Dirt 4, Hellblade, Destiny 2, Shadow Of War, The Evil Within 2, CoD WWII, Battlefront II, Assassin's Creed Origins, Monster Hunter World, Far Cry 5, A Way Out, The Crew 2, Agony, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Shadow Of The Tomb Raider, Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Red Dead Redemption 2, CoD Black Ops 4, Battlefield V, Avengers game and many more, yet all of these come to PS4 and Xbox One almost as an obligation?" the same apply to all Switch exclusive games which didn't come to ps4/xbox 1

Yet multiplats sell more on PS4 than PC, despite a far smaller install base. Monster Hunter World is considered one of the best in the franchise, so your loss lol. You sound bitter to be honest.

Those games I listed have one thing in common, they released on the competing platforms yet skipped Switch. None of these are exclsuive, they're third party. Question is, why isn't Switch getting them? You can say you don't care about them all you want but that's besides the point. You aren't important, good support is important.



LethalP said:

Yet multiplats sell more on PS4 than PC, despite a far smaller install base.

That statement very much depends on the game in question and if the PC version is simply a console port with no bells and whistles or not.



Megiddo said:
LethalP said:

Yet multiplats sell more on PS4 than PC, despite a far smaller install base.

That statement very much depends on the game in question and if the PC version is simply a console port with no bells and whistles or not.

Yes it does, like Skyrim or Fallout for example. But in general games from Activision, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Take Two, sell better on consoles. Unless it's PC centric.



LethalP said:
Megiddo said:

That statement very much depends on the game in question and if the PC version is simply a console port with no bells and whistles or not.

Yes it does, like Skyrim or Fallout for example. But in general games from Activision, Ubisoft, EA, Square Enix, Take Two, sell better on consoles. Unless it's PC centric.

In general I do agree with you. Just wanted to point out that we PC gamers aren't dead yet and will enthusiastically embrace games that actually take advantage of the PC platform's superior specs.