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tokilamockingbrd said:
Ka-pi96 said:
One of the worst countries in the world. Absolutely disgusting the things they've done to the Palestinians!

Very anti-sematic of you. Palestinian children are literally brainwashed in school that is Israel is evil and they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Is there little wonder why they grow up into adults incapable of co-existing with Israelis? 

There's nothing anti sematic about not liking Israel's bs. The stuff they do makes Jim crow and apartheid look like an equal rights March 



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When i used to post how bad is real was everyone thought i was a jerk. i'm glad to see more people are noticing the palestinian concentration camp.

Btw, anti-Semitic means you are against people from that region, including Palestinian. I'm not anti-jew. I'm pro-jew. Just anti-zionist. The new nazi's.



TheBird said:
Here is some truth for the people who are currently watching CNN and holding up their pitch forks against trump and Isreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLeoPi6Jl9I

 

the reason why the other presidents didn't do it is because they were smart enough to know that shit will hit the fan. They knew this type of reaction would happen..



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h2ohno said:
Helloplite said:

Demographics from 1517 have the Israelis at a measly 1.7% of Jerusalem's total population. Centuries later , 1918 records show the population of Jerusalem to be almost 91.9% Palestinian. Israelis numbered 60,000 out of 660,000 citizens. In 1946 Israelis were approximately 30% of Jerusalem's population and by 1948 they somehow became the majority at 82.1% in the space of two years. 

 

Such violent population shifts do not happen peacefully. Nor do they portray an "end of story" situation. Palestinians are being displaced or exterminated for nearly 70 years already. This is not anti-Semitism. Yes the situation is complex. Yes Palestinian resistance is hardly benign. Yes they commit regular acts of terrorism. Nothing is simple in politics.

This is almost 100% wrong.  Jews were a majority in Jerusalem starting at a certain period sometime in the 19th century.  How early or late in the 19th century is up for dispute, but there is no dispute whatsoever that Jews were a majority in Jerusalem by 1918.  If you mean the entire land of Israel/Palestine instead of Jerusalem, then you might have a point.  But for Jerusalem your figures are garbage.

 

As for the overall population shifts, while there was definitely violence, it was instigated each time by the Arab side.  The 1920 pogroms caused the formation of the Hagganah and the 1929 massacres, including the destruction of the 3,000 year old Jewish community of Hebron, caused the formation of the Irgun.   That's not to say they didn't have a right to protest immigration policies, but had there been no Arab violence, there would have been no counter-violence and no refugees.

And during the period of the British Mandate, the Arab population itself doubled from around 600,000 to 1.2 million.

Nope, his numbers do hold up. While immigration to the region increased after the first Zionist congress in 1897, it only did so marginally. Only with the nazi persecutions and after the war that Jews came to settle there in drowses.

Palestinians of today are the descendants of the original inhabitants who refused to get deported to the neighboring countries when the country was about to be formed. Jerusalem, being a holy city for all abrahamic religions (all forms of Judaism, Christianity and Islamism), was actually never intended to be part of Israel. When the UN in 1947 wanted to create a jewish country there, they also had large territories reserved for either a paestinian State or for them to become part of the neighboring countries, while Jerusalem itself was meant to become independent from either (basically a city-state). While the Jews accepted it, the Palestinians rejected it (mostly because Israel would receive almost all good arable land in the region). While the plan got accepted it never came into action, as the first arab-israeli war broke out about the issue. And like David Ben-Gurion said in 1937: "The partition is the first step to possession of the whole land".

Btw, it's a bit of a "create your own enemy" for the Palestinians. They revolted in 1936-1937 against the british rule, which led to the 2 state plan (and the quote above) and ultimately Israel acquiring the whole region.

xl-klaudkil said:
Isreal are murderes,yet no nation does anything about it!
They should have learned from ww2,but now they are doing the same.

Maybe they did learn - just not the right things or not from the right people.



deskpro2k3 said:
TheBird said:
Here is some truth for the people who are currently watching CNN and holding up their pitch forks against trump and Isreal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLeoPi6Jl9I

 

the reason why the other presidents didn't do it is because they were smart enough to know that shit will hit the fan. They knew this type of reaction would happen..

More like they were just saying shit to get votes. Funny how a reality tv star was the one with enough balls and integrity when it mattered in following through with a campaign promise. They sounded so sincere too in those speeches.

The situation would have never gotten better with it being kept in limbo. The quicker the Palestinians and surrounding countries accept that Israel is there to stay and Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, the quicker they all can live in peace. There's no other viable alternative to the situation. 



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tokilamockingbrd said:
Ka-pi96 said:
One of the worst countries in the world. Absolutely disgusting the things they've done to the Palestinians!

Very anti-sematic of you. Palestinian children are literally brainwashed in school that is Israel is evil and they should be wiped off the face of the earth. Is there little wonder why they grow up into adults incapable of co-existing with Israelis? 

It´s antisemitic to dislike a country for what they are doing to other people? Can you logically explain how that adds up? It´s also.... racist to dislike North Korea, bigotted to dislike Saudi Arabia? =)



Ka-pi96 said:
One of the worst countries in the world. Absolutely disgusting the things they've done to the Palestinians!

Yet most would rather live in Israel than other countries in that region.



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Kyuu said:
Puppyroach said:

It´s antisemitic to dislike a country for what they are doing to other people? Can you logically explain how that adds up? It´s also.... racist to dislike North Korea, bigotted to dislike Saudi Arabia? =)

Didn't you know? If you don't jam your nose all the way down Israel's butthole, you're either deemed Antisemitic.. or a Self-hating Jew.

Nose? Is that some sort of anti-semitic joke?

I would never argue Israel's actions aren't questionable. I would simply argue the middle east is a god awful place, where the worst religion reigns supreme, and the Jews are arguably the most civil people there.

That's how I look at the entire situation and just say, "meh."



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h2ohno said:
Eagle367 said:
It's wonderful how Palestinians are savages and Israelis are more western hence deserving more of their life and peace. The argument is idiotic. And the argument of 1000s of years ago is idiotic as well. A lot of things were different and belonged to different people 1000s of years ago. Right now there are more Palestinians in the entire region and that's the reality. Palestinians live in a more pathetic way then Israel and that's a reality. More Palestinians die, are starving and sick and that's a reality. Hospitals are being attacked and schools as well and that's a reality. Both sides have committed atrocities and that's a reality. Israel has much more killing power and the support of a war monger and that's a reality. Natanyahu is himself a war monger and that's a reality. The world under the UN needs to manage the reason and take all power away from both Israelis and Palestinians. All member nations need to provide soldiers for a peace keeping operation. They need to be forces like babies to live together and have no power over their land until they stop fighting. When they behave this illogically neither side deserves power of the land.

The reality is that the Palestinians could have improved their standards of living immensely and had their own state decades ago if they gave up the dream of destroying Israel and were willing to settle for 95% of their demands.  They chose to respond to offers of a state with war time and time again, beginning in 1947, and continuing in to this day.  They are the largest recipients per capita of humanitarian aid in the world by a large margin, but Fatah steals most of the aid that comes its way to enrich its leaders and Hamas steals most of the aid that comes to Gaza for its war machine.  Hamas even had its people set fire to the crossing by which most humanitarian aid enters Gaza.  If your people are starving (and that they really aren't.  Gaza has a poverty problem, but not a starvation problem), then torching the primary route by which they receive humanitarian aid - not once, but 3 times in less than a week - is madness.

This is Hamas' strategy, to cause as much suffering to both sides as possible.  Any damage it does to Israel makes Israel look weaker, and any response Israel makes scores Hamas a PR victory.  The moment the Palestinians have a leader that actually cares about their well-being there will be hope that the conflict can be resolved.  But in the meantime the likes of Hamas consider the average Palestinian to be little more than a meat shield.

Sure it's all so damn one sided right? Israel has no hand in any of the tragedies ever since this mess started. Natanyahu isn't a war monger attacking Iran in Syria multiple times right now? Natanyahu just wants peace right? Israel is illegally occupying palestinian land for peace? There's a saying in my language which roughly translates to "a clap can't happen with only one hand" which basically means things don't just happen one-sidedly. You can blame Hamas all you want and the Palestinian leasderal; you want but Israel is just as guilty if not more. At the end of the day, Israel chooses to kill innocents without flinching. Israel's deep in this shit as well. Her people are just as brainwashed if not more than the palestinians. This taking of sides will never cease to exist that;s why I'm saying the world should handle the land until they learn to live together. A neutral government with representativea Jewish Christian Muslim and none of the above plus a peace keeping force consisting of military officials from all UN member nations. This war will end in genocide otherwise. Israel doesn't want a single palestinian alive and vice versa. Their hate for each other is borderline incomprehensible and it won't go away until they burn everything to the ground. I feel more for the Palestinians to be quite honest but taking any side is the wrong move which hasn't worked out so far



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Mr Puggsly said:
Kyuu said:

Didn't you know? If you don't jam your nose all the way down Israel's butthole, you're either deemed Antisemitic.. or a Self-hating Jew.

Nose? Is that some sort of anti-semitic joke?

I would never argue Israel's actions aren't questionable. I would simply argue the middle east is a god awful place, where the worst religion reigns supreme, and the Jews are arguably the most civil people there.

That's how I look at the entire situation and just say, "meh."

Then you my friend need more research. I would argue the best nation in the middle East is Oman. Look at them they don't support Iran or Saudi Arabia, they don't support any terrorists and don't get into any of the stupid politics. They don't have the blood of innocent Palestinians on their hands. Also you rally should visit the place before dissing it, it's not as barbaric as you Anke it out to be. Anyways give me any reasons why the Jews of Israel are better than the Muslims of Oman? Don't you dare say democracy though since democracy isn't objectively better you can get a trump from democracy and you can get a really good leader from other methods as well. Anyways Oman>>>>>>>>>>Israel.



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