konnichiwa said:
h2ohno said:
None of the Palestinians in Gaza were thrown out of their homes in the last 5-20 years. Anyone who left what is now Israel for Gaza did so over 70 years ago. The only people in Gaza who were thrown out of their homes in the last 20 years were the Jews whose communities were destroyed in 2005, leaving Gaza Jew-free except for those few Jews who are being held hostage by Hamas.
Literally no one at these demonstrations in Gaza under the age of 71 was thrown out of their homes by Israel. The organizers of the protest are very clear that the goal is to destroy Israel and kill as many Israelis as possible. When tens of thousands of people mass on a country's border, while hundreds of members of a terrorist organization embedded in the protests attempt to destroy the border fence to break into the country with the stated purpose of mass murder, when those terrorists use kites with firebombs attached in addition to throwing firebombs and other explosives, what nation would not respond with force to prevent these people from infiltrating the border?
It is very sad that a baby died as a result of inhaling tear gas (the child was not shot), but why in the world was a baby at such a protest anyway? The rioters frequently burn thousands of tires for the purpose of creating thick black smoke. Smoke inhalation is itself extremely deadly for small children (and adults in many house fires). In addition, evidence is emerging that casts doubt on the whole story about the baby.
Wait until the identities of the majority of fatalities are revealed, and around 45-50 will have been shown to be active Hamas members or members of other terrorist groups and will have been shown to have been engaging in active infiltration attempts at the fence, the throwing of firebombs, and the operating of kites with firebombs. That's the way it's gone every time until now, and there's no reason to think this time will be any different.
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It happens a lot, even last month their was international outctry because they want to destroy Sussiya and Khan al Amar. Those are Palestinian communities/villages that probably will get destroyed if they dare to fight for it they are terrorist and in a year or five it will be replaced with new houses for Israel citizens.
Secondly protest with firebombs are not that rare around the world, especially G20 protests are common to have those and nobody ends up dead, The protest was still 100-200 meters away from the border and people were shot with exploding bullets
Ofcourse if people don't protest nobody get killed that's what the Nazi's also said a lot in occupying countries.
Lastly, in an independent investigation from the UN would indeed clear so much up but USA will not accept it and then you have Israel Embassadies representatives who mention that all the ones getting killed technically inclusive children and the baby were terrorists so I not expect much from the identification of the victims.
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No one in Sussiya or Khan al Amar is going to go to Gaza if that community is destroyed. Structures, and even communities, that are built illegally will face demolition. That applies to both Jewish and Arab communities. In many of the cases where structures built illegally are demolished Israel provides alternative housing nearby. Those cases are zoning/building permits issues that have nothing to do with Gaza at all. They are in the West Bank, and everyone who stands to lose their home in these cases will remain in the West Bank. No one is being expelled to Gaza.
And firebombs kill, as do the grenades, pipe bombs, and bullets used by Hamas terrorists during the demonstrations yesterday. Those who attacked the soldiers and were most likely to be shot in response were right at the border fence.
As for the exploding bullets, that is a myth that was debunked months ago. Some idiot posted a picture of a shell used for hunting and tried to pass it off as some weird high-tech IDF ammunition, which it never was.
Last edited by h2ohno - on 15 May 2018
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