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S.Peelman said:
While I agree this is the epitome of cheap, I do believe it's kind of up to Nintendo to stimulate the use of larger cartridges accross the board to prevent these things.

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.



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Wyrdness said:
S.Peelman said:
While I agree this is the epitome of cheap, I do believe it's kind of up to Nintendo to stimulate the use of larger cartridges accross the board to prevent these things.

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.

Can you provide some articles about this?  I'm just curious because I've always heard that disc are the cheapest to produce, especially since these disc are widely manufactured for all sorts of media whereas Switches cartridges are just for the Switch.

As a fan of physical this sucks really bad.  But this isn't the first time Capcom's done this so should we still be surprised at this point? lol



Wyrdness said:
S.Peelman said:
While I agree this is the epitome of cheap, I do believe it's kind of up to Nintendo to stimulate the use of larger cartridges accross the board to prevent these things.

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.

Well yeah, I don't actually know what, something...



V-r0cK said:
Wyrdness said:

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.

Can you provide some articles about this?  I'm just curious because I've always heard that disc are the cheapest to produce, especially since these disc are widely manufactured for all sorts of media whereas Switches cartridges are just for the Switch.

As a fan of physical this sucks really bad.  But this isn't the first time Capcom's done this so should we still be surprised at this point? lol

People have already linked  it in the thread, Switch cartridges are just flash cards as someone mentioned earlier they're not specialised carts like on the N64.



Wyrdness said:
V-r0cK said:

Can you provide some articles about this?  I'm just curious because I've always heard that disc are the cheapest to produce, especially since these disc are widely manufactured for all sorts of media whereas Switches cartridges are just for the Switch.

As a fan of physical this sucks really bad.  But this isn't the first time Capcom's done this so should we still be surprised at this point? lol

People have already linked  it in the thread, Switch cartridges are just flash cards as someone mentioned earlier they're not specialised carts like on the N64.

Thanks. I found the article.  My only thought now is 2 reasons:

1. Yes Capcom went super cheap or...

2. Capcom was planning on selling each collection separately and had already produced a ton of the first collection on the 1gb cartridge and then decided to change and have both collections together.  Still a crappy move.



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LiquorandGunFun said:
Nuvendil said:

See the above post.  This particular game could easily fit on a cart that's equal to or cheaper than a PS4 disc.  

the cart sucks period. google anything you want.

 

edit: I will go with the "idea" of Capcom having a meeting, one guy says to another "lets fuck with switch owners" the other guy says "great Idea". then they go to the manager of the project and tell them, hey make them do this and that, and download the other thing and make it several gigs more because we like extra work.

 

If anything it has more to do with the company with the hardware and how to develop for it. but that insanity to some so go with the scenario about camcom getting together to say fuck switch owners, we dont want to sell games.

Keep closing your ears and ignoring facts.



Nuvendil said:
Nem said:

You're gonna have to give me a source on that because i simply don't believe a cart is cheaper to manufacture than a disc.

Actually my googling tells me exactly the opposite: https://www.destructoid.com/a-look-at-why-some-nintendo-switch-carts-cost-more-than-their-multiplatform-counterparts-424878.phtml

 

If publishers are under NDA from Nintendo, it is clear who is to blame.

These aren't the N64 days, these carts are just flash memory cards.  Nothing fancy about it.

Cost varies by capacity.  32GB increases cost of goods by around 60% for 3rd parties.  8GB carts come in even with PS4 discs.  If carts were more expensive from the base capacity on up, you wouldn't in a million years see Bethesda use a 16GB.  

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/09/feature_exploring_the_switch_tax_and_why_nintendo_was_right_to_use_game_cards

This was all revealed ages ago by Daniel Ahmad, a highly credible and legitimate industry source. 

If this collection was over 8GB, Capcom would have a leg to stand on.  But this could fit on a 4GB cart.  They are actually opting to spend *less* on the Switch physical version than the PS4, cheaping out with what seems to be a 1GB cart, the cheapest one being made.  They may as well be shipping a download code in a box.  Capcom is just being a miserly prick.

Well, he does admit that the information isn't disclosed and is just speculation. The existance of an NDA still speaks volumes to me.

Anyways, it is only logical that companies evaluate how much they predict to sell and adjust their risk and margins where they find it favorable.

Again, it's just something you can expect to happen on cartdridge based systems. 



John2290 said:
Nuvendil said:

 

  How many times do we have to go over this?  We KNOW for a stone cold fact that 8GB and bellow is equal to or cheaper than a PS4 disc.  

Therefore there is no excuse - none, zero, zilch - for this kind of behavior.  It's cheap, anti-consumer BS.  End of story.  People should be upset over this.  This is just insulting.  Cause it is NOT the system, it's the company.  This is entirely on Capcom.  

If that's the case then it must not be the companies and instead Nintendo keeping the prices hiked. Some games cost ten quid more on switch, if you are correct it's definitely not the publishers who are keeping those prices up, no one wants that PR. If it is Nintendo they need to stop it immediately and bring down prices before kids and teenagers start hacking there systems, at worst breaking there systems so they can't buy Nintendo games and at best taking a chunk out of sales through piracy. Nintendos prices have always been high but this is ridiculous.

Capcom didn't use a 4GB cartridge, so it's Nintendo's fault for using cartridges.  Got it.

A 4GB cartridge doesn't cost more than a PS4 disc, so somehow the pricing still must be Nintendo's fault.  Got it.

It was really hot yesterday, so that must have been Global Warming, which is also Nintendo's fault.  Right?



John2290 said:
Mandalore76 said:

Capcom didn't use a 4GB cartridge, so it's Nintendo's fault for using cartridges.  Got it.

A 4GB cartridge doesn't cost more than a PS4 disc, so somehow the pricing still must be Nintendo's fault.  Got it.

It was really hot yesterday, so that must have been Global Warming, which is also Nintendo's fault.  Right?

A 50g gig bluray is cheaper than an 8gig cartridge, and in bulk sizes to get hundreds of thousands of games onto them most likely cheaper than a 4gig too. As someone mentioned above people keep using data from pre 2010.

Aren't most games on the Switch already more expensive than their counterparts on PC/PS4/XBOne to "compensate" for the cartridge prices? It's very frequent to see games at launch 5€ more expensive, yet many games still have the games incomplete on the card. It's a very scummy tactic that hurts the consumer by both ends, so when Capcom does it with a game that doesn't need it at all, people are going to get pissed off.



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John2290 said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Aren't most games on the Switch already more expensive than their counterparts on PC/PS4/XBOne to "compensate" for the cartridge prices? It's very frequent to see games at launch 5€ more expensive, yet many games still have the games incomplete on the card. It's a very scummy tactic that hurts the consumer by both ends, so when Capcom does it with a game that doesn't need it at all, people are going to get pissed off.

Well, you see in the eyes of gamers Nintendo can do no wrong, so they get a pass. And yeah, It's closer to 10 euro more or usually rounded off to that from what I'm seeing in comparison between switch and other systems with little to no sales or flash sales for the younger crowd or less wealthy owners and Switch does have a large base of younger people, who don't have their own income. That's exactly my point as to why Nintendo need to think of something fast, if they didn't have the threat of kids and teens jailbreaking or breaking there systems attempting to in the coming months, they could charge 20 euro more and it wouldn't matter much besides for some complaining but now they really need to step back and rethink this, maybe reduce prices for digital gaming drastically and have PSN/steam level flash sales and out an SKU with more built in storage or...something. They're on seriously thin ice if they don't counteract it the next few months, I'm not technically inclined but changing the chip seems to be the most difficult yet the best option. There is going to be more jailbreaking on the switch than there ever was on PSP with the internet and the streisand effect, those prices have to come down as every time a consumer goes and sees a game ten euro more on their system or can't afford a game you can't blame them to consider the alternative. Perhaps starting to build a strong digital market place, not filled with over priced mobile like games would be a start if they can't cheapen physical releases or bite the bullet and take the financial hit on their own terms until they change the chip. Perhaps a subscription based game pass type deal might counteract it but that'd have to be digital anyway, hmm, it's a tough situation all round. Hope they make the right call whatever they do.

Piracy didn't kill the DS or the Wii, and those systems were way simpler to hack than the Switch is (TBH I thought we'd get R4 Switch cartridges). Nintendo games in general and online games will be safe from the risks of piracy, Nintendo games sell great either way and online games need online. Indies can be affected, but with the tide of titles constantly coming and Nintendo's online fee promising discounts, they won't be hurt for the most part. But if big companies try to sell their games at a higher price than on other consoles while also hurting physical releases, then they will have given pirates a great excuse to not support them. Piracy anti-measures that hurt their customer base is the most backwards thing they could do.

Either way, Capcom's behaviour here is bad for everyone. People who buy retail don't mind paying more (as long as it's reasonable) in exchange of preservation, but Capcom charges more for a title that's incomplete. That's the problem.

Last edited by Darwinianevolution - on 04 May 2018

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