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LiquorandGunFun said:
Nuvendil said:

See the above post.  This particular game could easily fit on a cart that's equal to or cheaper than a PS4 disc.  

the cart sucks period. google anything you want.

 

edit: I will go with the "idea" of Capcom having a meeting, one guy says to another "lets fuck with switch owners" the other guy says "great Idea". then they go to the manager of the project and tell them, hey make them do this and that, and download the other thing and make it several gigs more because we like extra work.

 

If anything it has more to do with the company with the hardware and how to develop for it. but that insanity to some so go with the scenario about camcom getting together to say fuck switch owners, we dont want to sell games.

No, it was more a meeting where they said, "hey, if we use these 1GB carts we can cut our cost of goods in half!  And our nostalgic Mega Man fans will eat this up no doubt!"  Cause they haven't made the game larger, they've just chosen to use the smallest cart in production and force you to download the rest of what should be on the cart.  It's less preying on Nintendo as preying on the starved Mega Man fans.  It's just there's no real way to pull this fuckery on PS4.  There is no cheap disc option.  But the carts go down to 1GB, which are significantly cheaper (relatively speaking mind) than the 8GB.  Yeah, it's only a couple extra bucks per copy but if they sell hundreds of thousands or a million copies, well that's hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in their bank account.  



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S.Peelman said:
While I agree this is the epitome of cheap, I do believe it's kind of up to Nintendo to stimulate the use of larger cartridges accross the board to prevent these things.

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.



Wyrdness said:
S.Peelman said:
While I agree this is the epitome of cheap, I do believe it's kind of up to Nintendo to stimulate the use of larger cartridges accross the board to prevent these things.

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.

Can you provide some articles about this?  I'm just curious because I've always heard that disc are the cheapest to produce, especially since these disc are widely manufactured for all sorts of media whereas Switches cartridges are just for the Switch.

As a fan of physical this sucks really bad.  But this isn't the first time Capcom's done this so should we still be surprised at this point? lol



Wyrdness said:
S.Peelman said:
While I agree this is the epitome of cheap, I do believe it's kind of up to Nintendo to stimulate the use of larger cartridges accross the board to prevent these things.

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.

Well yeah, I don't actually know what, something...



V-r0cK said:
Wyrdness said:

8GB carts are cheaper than PS4 discs to use so there's not anything Nintendo can do in this case Capcom just straight up went for the smallest and dead cheapest option.

Can you provide some articles about this?  I'm just curious because I've always heard that disc are the cheapest to produce, especially since these disc are widely manufactured for all sorts of media whereas Switches cartridges are just for the Switch.

As a fan of physical this sucks really bad.  But this isn't the first time Capcom's done this so should we still be surprised at this point? lol

People have already linked  it in the thread, Switch cartridges are just flash cards as someone mentioned earlier they're not specialised carts like on the N64.



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Wyrdness said:
V-r0cK said:

Can you provide some articles about this?  I'm just curious because I've always heard that disc are the cheapest to produce, especially since these disc are widely manufactured for all sorts of media whereas Switches cartridges are just for the Switch.

As a fan of physical this sucks really bad.  But this isn't the first time Capcom's done this so should we still be surprised at this point? lol

People have already linked  it in the thread, Switch cartridges are just flash cards as someone mentioned earlier they're not specialised carts like on the N64.

Thanks. I found the article.  My only thought now is 2 reasons:

1. Yes Capcom went super cheap or...

2. Capcom was planning on selling each collection separately and had already produced a ton of the first collection on the 1gb cartridge and then decided to change and have both collections together.  Still a crappy move.



Yeah. I was going to double-dip on this one so I could play it on the go on the Switch, but I'm thinking of passing until it goes on sale.

Also, like others pointed out, they're doing the same thing with the Switch version of the Mega Man X Legacy Collection... but only in the West. Looks like I'll be getting the XBO version since it's a two-disc set.

This forced download code bullshit needs to stop. It's not only cheap and lazy as hell, it's too reminiscent of the "online pass" fiasco from last generation. It can screw over people who buy a copy second-hand, or people who don't have good internet (or any internet).

Last edited by Shadow1980 - on 04 May 2018

LiquorandGunFun said:
Nuvendil said:

See the above post.  This particular game could easily fit on a cart that's equal to or cheaper than a PS4 disc.  

the cart sucks period. google anything you want.

 

edit: I will go with the "idea" of Capcom having a meeting, one guy says to another "lets fuck with switch owners" the other guy says "great Idea". then they go to the manager of the project and tell them, hey make them do this and that, and download the other thing and make it several gigs more because we like extra work.

 

If anything it has more to do with the company with the hardware and how to develop for it. but that insanity to some so go with the scenario about camcom getting together to say fuck switch owners, we dont want to sell games.

Keep closing your ears and ignoring facts.



Nuvendil said:
Nem said:

You're gonna have to give me a source on that because i simply don't believe a cart is cheaper to manufacture than a disc.

Actually my googling tells me exactly the opposite: https://www.destructoid.com/a-look-at-why-some-nintendo-switch-carts-cost-more-than-their-multiplatform-counterparts-424878.phtml

 

If publishers are under NDA from Nintendo, it is clear who is to blame.

These aren't the N64 days, these carts are just flash memory cards.  Nothing fancy about it.

Cost varies by capacity.  32GB increases cost of goods by around 60% for 3rd parties.  8GB carts come in even with PS4 discs.  If carts were more expensive from the base capacity on up, you wouldn't in a million years see Bethesda use a 16GB.  

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/09/feature_exploring_the_switch_tax_and_why_nintendo_was_right_to_use_game_cards

This was all revealed ages ago by Daniel Ahmad, a highly credible and legitimate industry source. 

If this collection was over 8GB, Capcom would have a leg to stand on.  But this could fit on a 4GB cart.  They are actually opting to spend *less* on the Switch physical version than the PS4, cheaping out with what seems to be a 1GB cart, the cheapest one being made.  They may as well be shipping a download code in a box.  Capcom is just being a miserly prick.

Well, he does admit that the information isn't disclosed and is just speculation. The existance of an NDA still speaks volumes to me.

Anyways, it is only logical that companies evaluate how much they predict to sell and adjust their risk and margins where they find it favorable.

Again, it's just something you can expect to happen on cartdridge based systems. 



John2290 said:
Nuvendil said:

 

  How many times do we have to go over this?  We KNOW for a stone cold fact that 8GB and bellow is equal to or cheaper than a PS4 disc.  

Therefore there is no excuse - none, zero, zilch - for this kind of behavior.  It's cheap, anti-consumer BS.  End of story.  People should be upset over this.  This is just insulting.  Cause it is NOT the system, it's the company.  This is entirely on Capcom.  

If that's the case then it must not be the companies and instead Nintendo keeping the prices hiked. Some games cost ten quid more on switch, if you are correct it's definitely not the publishers who are keeping those prices up, no one wants that PR. If it is Nintendo they need to stop it immediately and bring down prices before kids and teenagers start hacking there systems, at worst breaking there systems so they can't buy Nintendo games and at best taking a chunk out of sales through piracy. Nintendos prices have always been high but this is ridiculous.

Capcom didn't use a 4GB cartridge, so it's Nintendo's fault for using cartridges.  Got it.

A 4GB cartridge doesn't cost more than a PS4 disc, so somehow the pricing still must be Nintendo's fault.  Got it.

It was really hot yesterday, so that must have been Global Warming, which is also Nintendo's fault.  Right?