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Chris Hu said:
pokoko said:

I don't think anyone is going to debate that MJ hired the best choreographers, dancers, and producers that money could buy.  So what, though?  There are some people who care about that and others who do not.  Personally, I go to concerts for the musicians, not to watch a dance troupe.  

The rest is just hyperbole.  Energy, spectacle, and awe?  Iggy Pop and The Stooges, Pink Floyd, The Who, Rage Against The Machine, Jimi Hendrix, Bruce Springsteen, and others have all brought those criteria in spades--and Prince himself is widely considered one of the best live acts of all time.  

Unfortunately not many people saw him perform live since he didn't tour much and mostly played smaller venues.  Also as far as I know he never toured overseas.  MJ had three massive world tours and probably could have done a couple more if he really wanted to. 

MJ's levels of fame/infamy are very uncanny, I mean has anyone ever been more famous than him? I mean there are a few that probably came close, Madonna, Elvis, Princess Diana, Marilyn Monroe, The Beatles perhaps? 



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Um, it's not really fair to compare Prince to MJ of all people. Prince was super popular in the US in the 80s in his own right (partly with his band The Revolution and part solo). He wasn't the mega star that MJ was on an entertainment level but he wrote a ton of music not just for himself but for other artists as well.

Remember, MJ was already a huge child star in the 70s with his brothers in The Jackson 5, and when he went solo in the late 70s / early 80s he really blew up, so by the time Prince hit the scene in the early 80s MJ had already crossed over into the mainstream of pop culture and music.



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You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

 

 

Chris Hu said:

Unfortunately not many people saw him perform live since he didn't tour much and mostly played smaller venues.  Also as far as I know he never toured overseas.  MJ had three massive world tours and probably could have done a couple more if he really wanted to. 

Are you kidding me? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#Tours

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=All_Concerts

Touring and concerts were pretty much Prince‘s life. He loved to perform live and made most of his 300 million US$ with his tours.

Already in the 80s there were plenty of bootlegs of his shows. Here‘s a comprehensive list: http://4thefunk.com/

He was also famous for performing 2nd shows right after the main show on the same night or the next day.

Prince was an outstanding live musician and shouldn‘t be compared in that regard to dancer/performer Michael Jackson but to other outstanding live musicians of his own league, such as Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye or James Brown (who also - like him - wrote, produced and recorded their own songs and albums).

Here are a few examples of his live performances (I especially recommend the last video where he plays the solo on the all-star tribute performance of George Harrison‘s While My Guitar Gently Weeps): http://stylecaster.com/prince-best-live-Performances

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Both were great African-American pop stars. Both had large fan bases. Michael Jackson was a great dancer and a great singer. Prince played 5 instruments and he was a great musician. Michael Jackson was a child-star turned international superstar and he was a star for 40 years. Michael Jackson was constantly in the media spotlight and the last 10 years of his life he was famous for just being famous. Prince was not constantly in the media spotlight, and he kept a lower profile compared to Michael Jackson.



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Chris Hu said:

Unfortunately not many people saw him perform live since he didn't tour much and mostly played smaller venues.  Also as far as I know he never toured overseas.  MJ had three massive world tours and probably could have done a couple more if he really wanted to. 

Are you kidding me? 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_(musician)#Tours

http://www.princevault.com/index.php?title=All_Concerts

Touring and concerts were pretty much Prince‘s life. He loved to perform live and made most of his 300 million US$ with his tours.

Already in the 80s there were plenty of bootlegs of his shows. Here‘s a comprehensive list: http://4thefunk.com/

He was also famous for performing 2nd shows right after the main show on the same night or the next day.

Prince was an outstanding live musician and shouldn‘t be compared in that regard to dancer/performer Michael Jackson but to other outstanding live musicians of his own league, such as Stevie Wonder, Marvin Gaye or James Brown (who also - like him - wrote, produced and recorded their own songs and albums).

Here are a few examples of his live performances (I especially recommend the last video where he plays the solo on the all-star tribute performance of George Harrison‘s While My Guitar Gently Weeps): http://stylecaster.com/prince-best-live-Performances

My bad, he did play overseas.  But what I said about him mostly playing smaller venues is true though.



This video should fill you in. Pretty much, his name is Prince and he is funky.

https://youtu.be/w0g9Qkrc8nE



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Seventizz said:
pokoko said:

Michael Jackson was infamous as well as famous.  There was a lot of stuff that went into his fame, including starting out as a heavily produced child act.

 

Yea, I never understood why he was always lauded as so talented when he didn’t write anything (he got a writing & producing credit when he added one of his signature grunts or ‘he he’s’) or produce any of his music.  He always had a producer, writer, and choreographer.  These are, in essence, the actual inventive talents.  MJ was just following orders.

Prince could write, produce, dance, and play every instrument known to man - he was a true gifted talent.

Whoa whoa WHOA...hold on for a second and just be careful with what you write. I have BOOKS on MJ and have more info on him than the average person. MJ had nothing but MUSIC in his head. In fact, he had an orchestra in his mind. He can elaborate melodies to fellow musicians even if he wasn't the greatest musician or could not play any instruments. He could create melodies through his voice.

Yeah, he needed producers in order to get his ideas translated into actual instruments. But man, he already had demos of stuff like Billie Jean, Beat It and We Are The World (yes, he freaking wrote that song himself but humble enough to give Ritchie some credit for a few lines) long before they were delivered to the studio. MJ ALWAYS recorded all his demos himself. Rough drafts. You can even hear all of them in his boxsets.

The greatest Michael Jackson song for me ever will ALWAYS be Who Is It off Dangerous. Completely written by himself. It's a highly under rated masterpiece.

Other tracks like Black or White, Billie Jean, Beat It, 95% of Bad, Heal the World, Earth Song, They Don't Care About Us...HECK, most of his HUGE hits are pretty much entirely his songs. Yeah, sure he doesn't play on them but that doesn't mean he couldn't write them.

HE directs his repertoire of musicians. If he doesn't like something, he'll let them know for sure. He is so critical of his albums and usually takes up to 5 years for an album to release. Most artists release albums every year or two on average I'd say. He didn't have many albums compared to top sellers like The Beatles, Elvis or even Garth Brooks. But every album he released was a worldwide smash hit. Anyway, he definitely had full control of his albums after BAD when Quincy left. But even with QJ, he co-produced the tracks he wrote.

 

Honestly, you don't have to be a musician to write a song. You just have to be creative and come up with a melody. It always starts out with a melody in your head. Just like MJ said...you gotta be able to hum it.