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Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

What does Labo really do for Nintendo? Get a few parents to buy it for their 5 year olds that don't have money to buy games for themselves and maybe get a few per year? Not really the greatest demographic to sacrifice the gamers who buy your real games to imo. 

But... that's how many Nintendo fans started to play videogames. With just a console and maybe one game for each birthday/christmas. And that is if you're lucky. I only had like three games for my N64 that I had to replay over and over again. And two of those were Pokémon games xD

What I'm trying to say is... Labo does what other Nintendo software has done since they started making games. Make the kids playing their console, and eventually, they will come back for more. We, the ones who have been here since NES/SNES/N64, etc... we're not gonna be buying games forever. We will eventually play less, and less... until we're not even a factor for Nintendo. They need to keep their demographics growing and young... and Labo is just the next new thing that THEY THINK (because until christmas I'm not sure how well this thing will sell) will do that. Can they do it with Mario? Can they do it with DK? Kirby? All I know is when I was a kid I had far more toys than videogames. The difference was abysmal. And not only cheap toys, also expensive ones. So... is not that hard to understand why Labo seems such a great idea for Nintendo.

Mario isn't great for kids? Kirby? Yoshi? Pokémon? Mario Kart? When I was a kid I played Mario, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Contra etc. Why aren't those kinda games good enough anymore? If kids are interested in video games, they will play video games? You don't need to "trick" them into liking it. "Oh, some of the most beloved franchises in history wont convince them? Hmmmm...how about cardboard?"

The reason why Pixar movies are so popular is because it appeals to every age group. Same with Mario and Zelda. If you make games for children, then you have exactly that. A game that only appeals to children. Its a very limited group of people. 

Nintendo has children covered. 90% of their games are great for children. They are also great for any age group. If they really want to expand, then start with the people who like more mature games. They are the 12 and over. Instead of trying to get the 6 or younger. You already have them.



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KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

But... that's how many Nintendo fans started to play videogames. With just a console and maybe one game for each birthday/christmas. And that is if you're lucky. I only had like three games for my N64 that I had to replay over and over again. And two of those were Pokémon games xD

What I'm trying to say is... Labo does what other Nintendo software has done since they started making games. Make the kids playing their console, and eventually, they will come back for more. We, the ones who have been here since NES/SNES/N64, etc... we're not gonna be buying games forever. We will eventually play less, and less... until we're not even a factor for Nintendo. They need to keep their demographics growing and young... and Labo is just the next new thing that THEY THINK (because until christmas I'm not sure how well this thing will sell) will do that. Can they do it with Mario? Can they do it with DK? Kirby? All I know is when I was a kid I had far more toys than videogames. The difference was abysmal. And not only cheap toys, also expensive ones. So... is not that hard to understand why Labo seems such a great idea for Nintendo.

Mario isn't great for kids? Kirby? Yoshi? Pokémon? Mario Kart? When I was a kid I played Mario, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Contra etc. Why aren't those kinda games good enough anymore? If kids are interested in video games, they will play video games? You don't need to "trick" them into liking it. "Oh, some of the most beloved franchises in history wont convince them? Hmmmm...how about cardboard?"

The reason why Pixar movies are so popular is because it appeals to every age group. Same with Mario and Zelda. If you make games for children, then you have exactly that. A game that only appeals to children. Its a very limited group of people. 

Nintendo has children covered. 90% of their games are great for children. They are also great for any age group. If they really want to expand, then start with the people who like more mature games. They are the 12 and over. Instead of trying to get the 6 or younger. You already have them.

I may have explained myself wrong... or maybe you didn't understand me properly xD

I never said Mario, Kirby or DK are not great for kids. I think they are probably the best quality games in the market for them. What I wanted to say is that... you can use videogames to hook kids into Nintendo. Or... you can use something else. Like, something that kids (especially little kids) are more familiar with and parents tend to buy more: Toys. Labo is essentially a toy. I bet many parents would rather buy their children Labo than the next Mario game, even if Mario is cheaper and more known. There's still a lot of prejudices around videogames. So... it kida makes sense for Nintendo to try to create their own toys and merge them with their consoles.



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

Mario isn't great for kids? Kirby? Yoshi? Pokémon? Mario Kart? When I was a kid I played Mario, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Contra etc. Why aren't those kinda games good enough anymore? If kids are interested in video games, they will play video games? You don't need to "trick" them into liking it. "Oh, some of the most beloved franchises in history wont convince them? Hmmmm...how about cardboard?"

The reason why Pixar movies are so popular is because it appeals to every age group. Same with Mario and Zelda. If you make games for children, then you have exactly that. A game that only appeals to children. Its a very limited group of people. 

Nintendo has children covered. 90% of their games are great for children. They are also great for any age group. If they really want to expand, then start with the people who like more mature games. They are the 12 and over. Instead of trying to get the 6 or younger. You already have them.

I may have explained myself wrong... or maybe you didn't understand me properly xD

I never said Mario, Kirby or DK are not great for kids. I think they are probably the best quality games in the market for them. What I wanted to say is that... you can use videogames to hook kids into Nintendo. Or... you can use something else. Like, something that kids (especially little kids) are more familiar with and parents tend to buy more: Toys. Labo is essentially a toy. I bet many parents would rather buy their children Labo than the next Mario game, even if Mario is cheaper and more known. There's still a lot of prejudices around videogames. So... it kida makes sense for Nintendo to try to create their own toys and merge them with their consoles.

Ok, then what? Now the kid has a Switch, cardboard with some mini games and parents who wont buy them regular games... How is Labo doing anything positive here?



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

I may have explained myself wrong... or maybe you didn't understand me properly xD

I never said Mario, Kirby or DK are not great for kids. I think they are probably the best quality games in the market for them. What I wanted to say is that... you can use videogames to hook kids into Nintendo. Or... you can use something else. Like, something that kids (especially little kids) are more familiar with and parents tend to buy more: Toys. Labo is essentially a toy. I bet many parents would rather buy their children Labo than the next Mario game, even if Mario is cheaper and more known. There's still a lot of prejudices around videogames. So... it kida makes sense for Nintendo to try to create their own toys and merge them with their consoles.

Ok, then what? Now the kid has a Switch, cardboard with some mini games and parents who wont buy them regular games... How is Labo doing anything positive here?

The kid has a Switch ^^



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

Ok, then what? Now the kid has a Switch, cardboard with some mini games and parents who wont buy them regular games... How is Labo doing anything positive here?

The kid has a Switch ^^

and when hes 18 he can buy Mario Odyssey and BOTW used. Great plan, Nintendo!



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KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

The kid has a Switch ^^

and when hes 18 he can buy Mario Odyssey and BOTW used. Great plan, Nintendo!

Their parents will eventually buy him some games. The kid will eventually be interested in Mario and company.  Labo is just the entry point. One leg at a time, buddy xD



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

and when hes 18 he can buy Mario Odyssey and BOTW used. Great plan, Nintendo!

Their parents will eventually buy him some games. The kid will eventually be interested in Mario and company.  Labo is just the entry point. One leg at a time, buddy xD

What if cardboard isn't enough? How many materials do Nintendo have to make a game with just in case theres a hit with one of them? Why cant Mario be the entry point? or one of Nintendos many great IPs?



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

Their parents will eventually buy him some games. The kid will eventually be interested in Mario and company.  Labo is just the entry point. One leg at a time, buddy xD

What if cardboard isn't enough? How many materials do Nintendo have to make a game with just in case theres a hit with one of them? Why cant Mario be the entry point? or one of Nintendos many great IPs?

Ok, just to clarify: I never said their plan was flaweless or even that I liked the plan. I'm just explaining why it makes sense to Nintendo.

That's why cardboard is such a great option: it's cheap as fuck. Even if Labo fails... they won't loose much, at least in terms of materials xD

Mario can be the entry point, it has been for many generations and it worked great. So was Nintendogs. And Wii Sports. Now, I know what you're thinking: "Meh, those were just a one hit thing, no one cares anymore". And while you're correct... they still got people into Nintendo. And from Nintendogs they went to Mario. And from Mario they went to Pokémon. And so on. Labo can do the same thing and even better because, as I said, it's a toy. And many parents and many kids at very young ages prefer toys rather than videogames.



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

What if cardboard isn't enough? How many materials do Nintendo have to make a game with just in case theres a hit with one of them? Why cant Mario be the entry point? or one of Nintendos many great IPs?

Ok, just to clarify: I never said their plan was flaweless or even that I liked the plan. I'm just explaining why it makes sense to Nintendo.

That's why cardboard is such a great option: it's cheap as fuck. Even if Labo fails... they won't loose much, at least in terms of materials xD

Mario can be the entry point, it has been for many generations and it worked great. So was Nintendogs. And Wii Sports. Now, I know what you're thinking: "Meh, those were just a one hit thing, no one cares anymore". And while you're correct... they still got people into Nintendo. And from Nintendogs they went to Mario. And from Mario they went to Pokémon. And so on. Labo can do the same thing and even better because, as I said, it's a toy. And many parents and many kids at very young ages prefer toys rather than videogames.

So parents are really willing to spend 380$ on a cardboard toy? I know kids can be noisy and you just want some peace for once, but for Christ sake.

You can say that about any game though. Kids bought a GC, got Resident Evil 4 and then moved on to Mario and Zelda. Theres no way to disprove that either. Do Nintendo really need to try and get the parents who don't care for video games to buy their console? Is that really a market worth going after when you have millions of gamers fucking crying when you reveal the new Smash Bros? How about you try and go after people who knows and loves video games instead of these potential buyers? 



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

Ok, just to clarify: I never said their plan was flaweless or even that I liked the plan. I'm just explaining why it makes sense to Nintendo.

That's why cardboard is such a great option: it's cheap as fuck. Even if Labo fails... they won't loose much, at least in terms of materials xD

Mario can be the entry point, it has been for many generations and it worked great. So was Nintendogs. And Wii Sports. Now, I know what you're thinking: "Meh, those were just a one hit thing, no one cares anymore". And while you're correct... they still got people into Nintendo. And from Nintendogs they went to Mario. And from Mario they went to Pokémon. And so on. Labo can do the same thing and even better because, as I said, it's a toy. And many parents and many kids at very young ages prefer toys rather than videogames.

So parents are really willing to spend 380$ on a cardboard toy? I know kids can be noisy and you just want some peace for once, but for Christ sake.

You can say that about any game though. Kids bought a GC, got Resident Evil 4 and then moved on to Mario and Zelda. Theres no way to disprove that either. Do Nintendo really need to try and get the parents who don't care for video games to buy their console? Is that really a market worth going after when you have millions of gamers fucking crying when you reveal the new Smash Bros? How about you try and go after people who knows and loves video games instead of these potential buyers? 

Maybe parents already have a Switch for themselves but don't want to give their children videogames so early and Labo seems a good solution to them. Maybe they are rich and 400 dollars is nothing to them. Maybe Nintendo is overconfident... I DON'T KNOW.

Em... I'm pretty sure not many kids started with RE 4. And if they did, they had terrible parents xD

Because we (the longtime fans) will not buy Nintendo forever. It's all about the children for Nintendo. They grow with their brands, they become attached to them and they continue to buy them over the years. But one day, they become old and they don't have interest in videogames anymore, or at the very least, the interest decrease drammatically. So... they need to keep their core fans happy for as long as they can, and at the same time, continue to attract kids to continue the cycle. And since kids nowadays are exposed to so many different products... a new videogame of their most famous character may not be enough. They need to keep creating new things to attract kids. Labo is the result. If it works or not... I really don't know. We'll see...