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PortisheadBiscuit said:
KLXVER said:

Yeah, I'm sure Labo and 1 2 Switch are just as big of a reason to why the Switch is a beloved console as Mario Odyssey and BOTW...

They can still make games like Mario, Zelda and a few others, but because of these non games we wont see a new big IP like them. 

Just imagine if Nintendo only focused on making games for gamers. Every year would be like 2017. I get excited just thinking about it. But instead we`ll get a 2017 like year maybe every 10 years if we are very lucky and some kinda big years every now and then in between. Its just a bit frustrating when imagining what could have been. 

Never said Labo or 1-2 Switch are the reason Switch is loved by gamers, so moot.

Rumor has it Zelda was over 100 million in development costs, we also know it took 5-6 years to develop. You're not getting BOTW or Odyssey every 1-2 years. Nothing wrong with them filling in the gaps with software that use the hardware in different ways. Just because it doesn't appeal to YOU doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. 

Doesn't have to be Zelda or Mario every year. I'm sure if they tried they could come up with great new IPs. They don't need to be 100 million dollar games either. Lots of games from Nintendo doesn't appeal to me. Splatoon, Kirby, Fire Emblem, Yoshi, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Mario Sports etc... Not really complaining about those. 

There is a saying that goes something like this: "If you keep trying to please everyone, you`ll end up pleasing no one" Not sure if that's exactly how it goes, but you get the point. While Nintendo goes on these Labo and 1 2 Switch adventures, less core gamers feel the system is worth it for them. If third party support was really strong, then this would be less of a problem.

What does Labo really do for Nintendo? Get a few parents to buy it for their 5 year olds that don't have money to buy games for themselves and maybe get a few per year? Not really the greatest demographic to sacrifice the gamers who buy your real games to imo. 



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If Nintendo had made the apps included worth using for 10s of hours then surely that would be to the detriment of the light duty cardboard used? The cardboard would wear out quickly and people would complain they couldn't use the apps anymore.  I suspect the apps were designed to be a short lived experience for that reason. They could have used corrugated plastic card instead of normal cardboard in order to make a more long life product but they didn't. If they continue with this concept perhaps that will be a future revision of the product.

If you like the concept why not just make something out of cardboard yourself. Come up with a design and then build it with scrap cardboard. A lot cheaper and a lot more satisfying I would of thought. There is plenty of inspiration on the web. It will then be your own creation. Better still making something that can be used with wood or metal. 



KLXVER said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Never said Labo or 1-2 Switch are the reason Switch is loved by gamers, so moot.

Rumor has it Zelda was over 100 million in development costs, we also know it took 5-6 years to develop. You're not getting BOTW or Odyssey every 1-2 years. Nothing wrong with them filling in the gaps with software that use the hardware in different ways. Just because it doesn't appeal to YOU doesn't mean they shouldn't do it. 

What does Labo really do for Nintendo? Get a few parents to buy it for their 5 year olds that don't have money to buy games for themselves and maybe get a few per year? Not really the greatest demographic to sacrifice the gamers who buy your real games to imo. 

But... that's how many Nintendo fans started to play videogames. With just a console and maybe one game for each birthday/christmas. And that is if you're lucky. I only had like three games for my N64 that I had to replay over and over again. And two of those were Pokémon games xD

What I'm trying to say is... Labo does what other Nintendo software has done since they started making games. Make the kids playing their console, and eventually, they will come back for more. We, the ones who have been here since NES/SNES/N64, etc... we're not gonna be buying games forever. We will eventually play less, and less... until we're not even a factor for Nintendo. They need to keep their demographics growing and young... and Labo is just the next new thing that THEY THINK (because until christmas I'm not sure how well this thing will sell) will do that. Can they do it with Mario? Can they do it with DK? Kirby? All I know is when I was a kid I had far more toys than videogames. The difference was abysmal. And not only cheap toys, also expensive ones. So... is not that hard to understand why Labo seems such a great idea for Nintendo.



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

What does Labo really do for Nintendo? Get a few parents to buy it for their 5 year olds that don't have money to buy games for themselves and maybe get a few per year? Not really the greatest demographic to sacrifice the gamers who buy your real games to imo. 

But... that's how many Nintendo fans started to play videogames. With just a console and maybe one game for each birthday/christmas. And that is if you're lucky. I only had like three games for my N64 that I had to replay over and over again. And two of those were Pokémon games xD

What I'm trying to say is... Labo does what other Nintendo software has done since they started making games. Make the kids playing their console, and eventually, they will come back for more. We, the ones who have been here since NES/SNES/N64, etc... we're not gonna be buying games forever. We will eventually play less, and less... until we're not even a factor for Nintendo. They need to keep their demographics growing and young... and Labo is just the next new thing that THEY THINK (because until christmas I'm not sure how well this thing will sell) will do that. Can they do it with Mario? Can they do it with DK? Kirby? All I know is when I was a kid I had far more toys than videogames. The difference was abysmal. And not only cheap toys, also expensive ones. So... is not that hard to understand why Labo seems such a great idea for Nintendo.

Mario isn't great for kids? Kirby? Yoshi? Pokémon? Mario Kart? When I was a kid I played Mario, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Contra etc. Why aren't those kinda games good enough anymore? If kids are interested in video games, they will play video games? You don't need to "trick" them into liking it. "Oh, some of the most beloved franchises in history wont convince them? Hmmmm...how about cardboard?"

The reason why Pixar movies are so popular is because it appeals to every age group. Same with Mario and Zelda. If you make games for children, then you have exactly that. A game that only appeals to children. Its a very limited group of people. 

Nintendo has children covered. 90% of their games are great for children. They are also great for any age group. If they really want to expand, then start with the people who like more mature games. They are the 12 and over. Instead of trying to get the 6 or younger. You already have them.



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

But... that's how many Nintendo fans started to play videogames. With just a console and maybe one game for each birthday/christmas. And that is if you're lucky. I only had like three games for my N64 that I had to replay over and over again. And two of those were Pokémon games xD

What I'm trying to say is... Labo does what other Nintendo software has done since they started making games. Make the kids playing their console, and eventually, they will come back for more. We, the ones who have been here since NES/SNES/N64, etc... we're not gonna be buying games forever. We will eventually play less, and less... until we're not even a factor for Nintendo. They need to keep their demographics growing and young... and Labo is just the next new thing that THEY THINK (because until christmas I'm not sure how well this thing will sell) will do that. Can they do it with Mario? Can they do it with DK? Kirby? All I know is when I was a kid I had far more toys than videogames. The difference was abysmal. And not only cheap toys, also expensive ones. So... is not that hard to understand why Labo seems such a great idea for Nintendo.

Mario isn't great for kids? Kirby? Yoshi? Pokémon? Mario Kart? When I was a kid I played Mario, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Contra etc. Why aren't those kinda games good enough anymore? If kids are interested in video games, they will play video games? You don't need to "trick" them into liking it. "Oh, some of the most beloved franchises in history wont convince them? Hmmmm...how about cardboard?"

The reason why Pixar movies are so popular is because it appeals to every age group. Same with Mario and Zelda. If you make games for children, then you have exactly that. A game that only appeals to children. Its a very limited group of people. 

Nintendo has children covered. 90% of their games are great for children. They are also great for any age group. If they really want to expand, then start with the people who like more mature games. They are the 12 and over. Instead of trying to get the 6 or younger. You already have them.

I may have explained myself wrong... or maybe you didn't understand me properly xD

I never said Mario, Kirby or DK are not great for kids. I think they are probably the best quality games in the market for them. What I wanted to say is that... you can use videogames to hook kids into Nintendo. Or... you can use something else. Like, something that kids (especially little kids) are more familiar with and parents tend to buy more: Toys. Labo is essentially a toy. I bet many parents would rather buy their children Labo than the next Mario game, even if Mario is cheaper and more known. There's still a lot of prejudices around videogames. So... it kida makes sense for Nintendo to try to create their own toys and merge them with their consoles.



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Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

Mario isn't great for kids? Kirby? Yoshi? Pokémon? Mario Kart? When I was a kid I played Mario, Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, Contra etc. Why aren't those kinda games good enough anymore? If kids are interested in video games, they will play video games? You don't need to "trick" them into liking it. "Oh, some of the most beloved franchises in history wont convince them? Hmmmm...how about cardboard?"

The reason why Pixar movies are so popular is because it appeals to every age group. Same with Mario and Zelda. If you make games for children, then you have exactly that. A game that only appeals to children. Its a very limited group of people. 

Nintendo has children covered. 90% of their games are great for children. They are also great for any age group. If they really want to expand, then start with the people who like more mature games. They are the 12 and over. Instead of trying to get the 6 or younger. You already have them.

I may have explained myself wrong... or maybe you didn't understand me properly xD

I never said Mario, Kirby or DK are not great for kids. I think they are probably the best quality games in the market for them. What I wanted to say is that... you can use videogames to hook kids into Nintendo. Or... you can use something else. Like, something that kids (especially little kids) are more familiar with and parents tend to buy more: Toys. Labo is essentially a toy. I bet many parents would rather buy their children Labo than the next Mario game, even if Mario is cheaper and more known. There's still a lot of prejudices around videogames. So... it kida makes sense for Nintendo to try to create their own toys and merge them with their consoles.

Ok, then what? Now the kid has a Switch, cardboard with some mini games and parents who wont buy them regular games... How is Labo doing anything positive here?



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

I may have explained myself wrong... or maybe you didn't understand me properly xD

I never said Mario, Kirby or DK are not great for kids. I think they are probably the best quality games in the market for them. What I wanted to say is that... you can use videogames to hook kids into Nintendo. Or... you can use something else. Like, something that kids (especially little kids) are more familiar with and parents tend to buy more: Toys. Labo is essentially a toy. I bet many parents would rather buy their children Labo than the next Mario game, even if Mario is cheaper and more known. There's still a lot of prejudices around videogames. So... it kida makes sense for Nintendo to try to create their own toys and merge them with their consoles.

Ok, then what? Now the kid has a Switch, cardboard with some mini games and parents who wont buy them regular games... How is Labo doing anything positive here?

The kid has a Switch ^^



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

Ok, then what? Now the kid has a Switch, cardboard with some mini games and parents who wont buy them regular games... How is Labo doing anything positive here?

The kid has a Switch ^^

and when hes 18 he can buy Mario Odyssey and BOTW used. Great plan, Nintendo!



KLXVER said:
Vodacixi said:

The kid has a Switch ^^

and when hes 18 he can buy Mario Odyssey and BOTW used. Great plan, Nintendo!

Their parents will eventually buy him some games. The kid will eventually be interested in Mario and company.  Labo is just the entry point. One leg at a time, buddy xD



Vodacixi said:
KLXVER said:

and when hes 18 he can buy Mario Odyssey and BOTW used. Great plan, Nintendo!

Their parents will eventually buy him some games. The kid will eventually be interested in Mario and company.  Labo is just the entry point. One leg at a time, buddy xD

What if cardboard isn't enough? How many materials do Nintendo have to make a game with just in case theres a hit with one of them? Why cant Mario be the entry point? or one of Nintendos many great IPs?