SpokenTruth said: 1. Part A. No citations. Not to mention that Oklahoma and Arizona went up and those that went down did so by not even a whole student (except Colorado). Part B. You must be unaware of the increased work load of teachers over the years. School funding cuts have forced teachers to take on extra roles. After school programs, arrival/dismissal operations, etc.... There is further pressure due standardized testing that requires teachers from many states to prepare students for high stakes testing along side the daily curriculum. Basically, teachers are being asked to do more with less. Did you forget that a lot of teachers must pay out of pocket for class room supplies? Are you aware that Trump's new tax plan removed the teacher tax write off? Did you forget that many teachers haven't had a pay increase in a decade as in the case for Oklahoma? Part C. You can't dictate current pay for future education methodologies. Just because VR may become a ubuquitious education tool doesn't mean you can underpay teachers now. Also, my wife's classroom has 4 computers. That's only 1 more computer than I had as a student over 30 years ago. 2. You still don't understand what reauthorizing the ESEA is. Oh...and you still haven't found me a state that doesn't require a Bachelor's degree. Keep looking. We'll wait. 3. Did you really just ask why state representatives aren't in lock step with their constituents? How long have you followed politics? And let me understand your corollary here. I'm supposed to believe that nationally people agree with the teacher strikes but the people in each states do not? Because that is in your insinuation. 4. Considering points 1 (A, B and C) and 2, you've disproved nothing nor have I shifted goalposts. If anyone is shifting goalposts, it's you with your future decades argument about how VR, AR and AI should dictate current pay rates. |
1. You want citations ? Well here you go ...
https://nces.ed.gov/surveys/AnnualReports/historicaltables.asp
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2018/2018052.pdf
Standardized testing like SATs and NAEPs has existed for decades so that hasn't changed in the last 50 years and I've never heard of a teacher being forced into extracurricular activities so do you have any plausible evidence that systematically shows the entire states or even districts doing this ? And no teachers aren't been asked to do more for less, they are been asked to do the same for a similar salary as they nearly always have for the past decades ... (there's been no significant changes to the curriculum and the paradigm too)
Classroom supplies are an insignificant part of the equation, students at this point should be responsible for their own damn pieces of paper, pencils, calculators or other supplies and they shouldn't be provided anything more than the necessary handouts which is EXACTLY how I remembered it was handled when we covered our own supplies in our classroom ...
I don't dictate current pay but technology certainly will and K-12 teaching has awfully similar resemblances to the factory jobs where tons of workers used to be in unions during the peak of the latter's membership but that soon changed after when were both obsoleted by increasing automation and I see that lower level teaching has come to a similar point where it has become so repetitive and so formulaic that we'll soon have solution to those disgruntled teacher and that's by replacing them with some software and hardware! (should deal a massive blow to the teacher's unions)
2. If ESSA is a reauthorization of ESEA then so it NCLB but if everybody seems to think that there two sets of different laws then precedent should apply as well ...
So you changed from "federally mandated" to "find a state" ? LMAO
3. @Bold If you mean by "nationally" which includes big states like California, New York, Illinois that highly skews the views of teacher strikes in those states then yeah so not only does your comparison sucks too but so does your data of which you provided anonymous online polls where even I could vote as well!
4. I have absolutely disproven your points and thoroughly too at that. Your first point was mostly false, you just shifted goal posts in your second point so you had to back track and your third point is plain flawed ...
I still have yet to see you address the high teacher supply too so if technology can't dictate teacher's compensation then economics will ...
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