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What game will be the most disappointing in 2018?

Shenmue III 23 27.38%
 
Crackdown 3 24 28.57%
 
Red Dead Redemption 2 1 1.19%
 
Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 17 20.24%
 
Battlefield V 1 1.19%
 
Spider-Man 5 5.95%
 
Super Smash Bros. for Switch 4 4.76%
 
Detroit: Become Human 6 7.14%
 
Kingdom Hearts 3 0 0%
 
Other 3 3.57%
 
Total:84
Zoombael said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Arguing for the sake of argument does not make you wrong. 

It's funny how you and Pokoko are just defaulting to the classic "you can't comprehend/are twisting what i'm saying!". 

I'll point it out for you:

Your original statement: "The irony is, you're confirming the original statement, trying to sell peoples personal views as legitimate reviews"

Your new statement: "I said, you, the angryllittlealche, are trying to justify the expected rants about a certain video game genre as legitimate critique/review."

You can say I misunderstood your point, in which case my bad. But I took your first statement literally because that's how it's written. Making a critique, analysis, or essay is not the same as being an actual reviewer. So obviously I was going to assume you literally meant "legitimate reviews", because if I didn't take your comment literally you could always point at that and critique me on that basis too. Damned if you do damned if you don't. 

On that note, I find it funny that you devalue my point by saying I must just hate cinematic games, then you devalue my point when I show you that I'm actually excited for the cinematic game in question. Again, damned if you do damned if you don't. Your point that my list somehow makes my argument "preposterous" is not a point, especially when you don't expand on it.

Ok. Lets try a different approach. 

 

I hate sports games. They re trash. FIFA, NHL, NBL, NFL, MBL, you name it. I despise them, only soccer game i ever played and moderately enjoyed was Super Soccer. 

 

If id rant about this "genre" on a regular basis, Id be the kind of person subject of the matter. Now even if somehow id make a valid point (last sports game  i rudementarily played was fifa98... i think), how could you see this hypothetical me as eligable to critizise thi s sports game?

 

No, buts. Those who actually play and enjoy this subgenre (and im not one of them) should be the one to sort out the pro and cons because they have an actual connection and know what they like/dislike in such games.

Nah I'm not arguing this anymore. 



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pokoko said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

What? What does generating negativity have to do with not understanding that others might like such games? Are you saying that if anyone from said crowd expresses negativity, they must automatically might not be able to see how said games are enjoyable to others? The two ideas don't intertwine well. 

Don't make up arguments.  I was clear with what I was talking about.  There are people who attack games that they see as "too cinematic" when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too childish", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too simple", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "not graphically wowing enough", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too slow", when all they need do is avoid those games.

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All negativity is coming from people not liking some games for one reason or another. Picking one reason people dislike games and declare that reason as stupid is the same as saying you never should criticize games, because all needed is to stay away. You may not share the reason for some disliking a game you like, but that is because people are different. All you can do is say: you may dislike it for that very reason, but I disagree, as I feel differently. That's OK.



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Without quoting the two guys in the discussion (they know who they are), I'm gonna toss in my two cents.

There were people who loved Heavy Rain and hated Beyond Two Souls. Two games from the same genre and the same creator with vastly different audience receptions. I'm expecting to love Detroit but there's no guarantee that it won't be too ambitious and botch the landing. People may end up hating it for legitimate reasons just like there could be people who love it and say "You just don't get it."

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Mnementh said:
pokoko said:

Don't make up arguments.  I was clear with what I was talking about.  There are people who attack games that they see as "too cinematic" when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too childish", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too simple", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "not graphically wowing enough", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too slow", when all they need do is avoid those games.

...

All negativity is coming from people not liking some games for one reason or another. Picking one reason people dislike games and declare that reason as stupid is the same as saying you never should criticize games, because all needed is to stay away. You may not share the reason for some disliking a game you like, but that is because people are different. All you can do is say: you may dislike it for that very reason, but I disagree, as I feel differently. That's OK.

There is a meaningful difference between "I don't like that kind of game" and "I don't like that kind of game and they need to stop making them."  Perhaps it's the same thing to you but I do not believe that.  You can dislike something without aggressively attacking it at every turn.  

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pokoko said:
Mnementh said:

There are people who attack games they see as "too childish", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too simple", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "not graphically wowing enough", when all they need do is avoid those games.

There are people who attack games they see as "too slow", when all they need do is avoid those games.

...

All negativity is coming from people not liking some games for one reason or another. Picking one reason people dislike games and declare that reason as stupid is the same as saying you never should criticize games, because all needed is to stay away. You may not share the reason for some disliking a game you like, but that is because people are different. All you can do is say: you may dislike it for that very reason, but I disagree, as I feel differently. That's OK.

There is a meaningful difference between "I don't like that kind of game" and "I don't like that kind of game and they need to stop making them."  Perhaps it's the same thing to you but I do not believe that.  You can dislike something without aggressively attacking it at every turn.  

I agree that is a difference. But that's not what you were saying. You said people were criticizing it for being too cinematic. That in general is a critic that is fine. People expect different things from games, some want cinematics, some want gameplay. For the second group a cinematic game might be a subpar experience. For the first group a Mario might be a subpar experience.

Also these people that are declaring the game shouldn't be made (for either game, Mario or Detroit) are how many? Ten, Twenty? OK, worldwide it may even be a few hundred. I doubt they influence the general feeling much. They don't invalidate the line of criticism. Only the demand to not making the game goes too far. And these are existing for every game.

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Mnementh said:

I agree that is a difference. But that's not what you were saying. You said people were criticizing it for being too cinematic. That in general is a critic that is fine. People expect different things from games, some want cinematics, some want gameplay. For the second group a cinematic game might be a subpar experience. For the first group a Mario might be a subpar experience.

Also these people that are declaring the game shouldn't be made (for either game, Mario or Detroit) are how many? Ten, Twenty? OK, worldwide it may even be a few hundred. I doubt they influence the general feeling much. They don't invalidate the line of criticism. Only the demand to not making the game goes too far. And these are existing for every game.

I hate to just parrot you, but this is exactly what I was trying to get at many times. Perhaps I did not express it as eloquently, but the argument had gone so far that it was hard to collect thoughts in such a fashion. 

The amount of people who are literally so against a type of game that they go on record saying they don't want those games to exist, and can't even FATHOM how someone can enjoy such a game, are BY FAR a minority. And this is coming from someone who's seen a lot of videos, opinion pieces, and forums around the idea of being against cinematic games. I've seen those kind of communities, and they're far more on the "critique" side than whatever was being expressed originally. These people, "haters" if you will, are rare and are far outnumbered by the people who just criticize the genre. More than likely, the two are being conflated, and that isn't a good thing to do even by accident because you're inflating the presence of a group of people by adding in others who aren't in that group. 

Although I'm sure that this conversation has probably run its course ..... this kind of thing is the basis for shutting out opinions of others. If you just keep saying "well ... this group should be discounted as well" eventually you get to the point of homogeneity. 



so far is Lack Ops IIII for me.



 

I think both Crackdown 3 and Shenmue 3 are going to fair badly.



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