I don't know how SE would be able to keep up with the antics seen in this forum like your post so to prove your's and the rest that have similar arguments they should just cancel the game altogether for the Switch ...  

@Bold That's just your implication ... 

And the the fans expectations of a port is irrelevant in either case, that should be the developers since their one's making the game ... (it's not about what the fans expect, it's about what the developers expect) 

Basically proves that a Switch version was NOT confirmed alongside the PS4/3DS version at the same date so you had to move goal posts ...  

My response at the last line of my previous post wasn't even meant for you so it's probably you who's getting confused so why don't you slow down and read the posts you're going to respond ? 

Not once did I ever say it was the "fans responsibility to announce release dates" so it's you who's making a strawman argument ... 

Yes, let's stick to what you commented because it's pretty clear that you didn't read my post since you accused me of making a strawman only to ironically backfire ... 

That is arrogance and frankly precedent doesn't matter so whether there are comparable situations or not is irrelevant and the release date doesn't concern the fans, it concerns the developer itself ... 

In this case the potential customers arrogance comes from their lack sensibilities, not due to expectations based on precedence ... 

Sometimes porting is harder than it seems. Let's expect that when it releases on Switch it is a good version.

Which doesn't change my argument at hand that it is NOT the fans expectation for a release date like I initially thought ... 

The fans are not the one's making the game therefore it rests solely on the developers when THEY are one's expecting a release date ... 

People also comparing DQXI port compared to other works is another evidence of their arrogance when they're DIFFERENT games with varying technical challenges ... 

On a side note, Wyrdness made a laughable proposition about how Doom/W2 is MORE demanding than DQXI ... (he forgot to realize that framerate wasn't the only thing cut compared to those games, they cut the resolution from 1080p to 900p) 

No you are one that moving goal posts, tell me why SE even mentione NX version of game back in 2015. when they announced game for first time, why year later (in 2016) they said that NX game will be released in same time with 3DS and PS4 versions of games!?

Masahiro Sakurai: Well then, I would like to ask about each of your new games. First, Dragon Quest XI. The 11th installment in the series will be released simultaneously on Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation 4, and including NX it’s coming out on three platforms, right?

Yuji Horii: That’s right. The use of hardware is different for each system, so it’s quite a challenge.

October, 2016.

And with that on mind and going buy your logic "people are arogant" beacuse we still dont know when game will come out on Switch while 3DS version of game is out and we know even release date for PS4 version of game for West release, so yeah Nintendo fans have every right to be angry about SE for this matter, facts talk for itself. And SE is well known for this kind of things, announcing games too early and delaying games constantly, and you try spin this one like this isnt they fault.

Raising Possibility =/= Confirmed but nice try shifting goalposts ... 

Second, the question you showed never implicated that the Switch version will release simultaneously alongside the PS4/3DS version. Just that only the PS4 and 3DS will release simultaneously ... 

And if Nintendo fans don't like the way SE operate then they can go take their BS elsewhere ... (SE can announce the game when the fuck ever they wish)

Fact is that SE first time mentione NX version of game in 2015. so yeah, way too early. Actually it applies, "The 11th installment in the series will be released simultaneously on Nintendo 3DS and PlayStation 4, and including NX".

Nobady likes how SE operates, and point is simple, Nintendo fans have evre right to be angry about SE for this matter and they are not arrogant for that (actually you are being quite arrogant because you fail to see that and call them arrogant beacuse of that).

Lol, who are you exatly to say "if Nintendo fans don't like the way SE operate then they can go take their BS elsewhere"!? This is perfect thread for valid complainings (they are not BS in any case) for this matter. SE can announce game when ever they want but fans can say what they think about how SE poorly managing things.

Do you like being a second-rate customer? I don't. And I have every right to complain, and of course, choose not to give them money when they do treat me like that.

Of course, that will give more credit to the narrative stating that "people don't buy third party games on Nintendo platforms", but oh well. It's definitely more their (3rd parties) loss than Nintendo's.

But you're the one who relied on ad hominem in the first place.

And then you misrepresented what I was saying and my intentions. 

VGP called you out on what you brought forth, and I cemented it by pointing out your claim about the dynamic resolution in place for Doom.

I brought the example of Uncharted 4 to illustrate a point I've been making from the get go. Which is that optimization, contrary to your belief, won't magically bring more horsepower out of the consoles. 

As for DQ XI being more advanced or not, my stance has been that the game is demanding for reasons different from Doom. And it is. More or not is irrelevent. Doom may run on an engine that's tailored made to achieve that game's needs. And it does look amazing for a game targeting and mostly achieving 60fps. Even though, despite what you tried to push, it did so by making obvious compromises. But that really isn't the point why any of this was brought up. The topic is about why the Switch release will come much later than the PS4 version. The struggle they have is due to the current versions of the UE they have that struggle to accommodate their particular needs for the game. Which makes it obvious the game is too demanding for the Switch when using the version of UE they currently have. At least in the form they want to make it for that console. 

You can keep misrepresenting my stance and intentions all you want. I've been saying the same things since my first comment about this.

No you brought ND into this because its another of your red herrings, ND have nothing to do with the entire debate in any context look at your post for a start your trying to say Doom backs your stance when it never did I flat out told you Doom has more tech running and highlighted a dynamic resolution on top of that you're now trying to say this was your point which is beyond comical, you were debunked you didn't present a single thing to back your DQXI being more demanding and now turn around to deny that's what you meant because your argument has hit rock bottom. Only reason for someone to even post what you did is if they don't understand what fps does in a game or if they just desperate to save a sinking argument which one are you here?

The whole VG thing was both you and him assuming I implied no optimisation is required and I explained to him what I meant at which point you were left by yourself again drop the perceived victim bs on being flamed because if I wanted to flame you I'd come out and directly do it, it's a common go to defence for people whose arguments have been dismantled me telling you you're out of your depth here is an observation as the's far more to FPS then what you tried to push.

Fact is your stance got debunked you argued SE only got the engine at a certain point it was pointed out Atlus did as well and have managed to show something, then you argued about them not wanting to show an inferior version it was pointed Doom and such had the same issue as more demanding games and still showed something, then you went into your DQXI is 30fps while Doom is 60fps phase it was pointed out to you that fps doesn't dictate what is more demanding and that SE went for 30fps because they saw no real benefit in 60fps in the type of game DQXI at which point you began your smiley parade like they back your argument and started making demands yet in the end you've presented sod all. You realising this began to try and twist things but your posts here make no sense in any context of the argument because Doom was used as an argument against you to begin with now you're bring ND into it as another RH when they have no relevance here as its a comparison between Doom and DQXI, that red herring is not going to fly here.

Warned ~ CGI