SnakeDrake said:
You have a twin? Never knew, so how do I know which VGPolyglot had I been talking too all this time?!!! |
Well, he has his own account here, so that you don't have to worry about that 
the-pi-guy said:
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"Not usually. "
uh again that's not true
"This is another big part of feminism, women should be allowed to join the military, become garbage women, etc. "
my point was being made with regards to your argument about past oppression
and really? i'll concede on the military, but a big part of feminism is getting women to become garbage women?
"Pretty much."
lol ok and why is rape a crime therefore?
"https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/us/brock-turner-release-jail/index.html"
there have been cases where men were jailed for false accusations... does that invalidate your argument? or is the justice system just not perfect?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-11676804
btw it appears that the investigation did not produce significant evidence to conclude he raped the woman... were you there? do you have sufficient evidence yourself to conclude that he did rape her? or is her accusation enough evidence?
from this article you posted it appears that this is the case
because women never lie and there are never misunderstandings between people... may the gods have mercy on you and not let you fall into a situation where a misunderstanding with a woman or a dishonest women result in your own ideas about these situation result in you getting shafted
"In many situations, there's very few precautions that can be made."
example?
"Just because the articles are saying they have issues with grid girls or they agree with the ban, doesn't mean that's why it came about. I"
oh come on, we both know that its the constant bitching about objectification that causes this nonsense to happen
reminds me of this
'A lot of these things are vastly more complicated than just women being different. The fact that society has certain expectations also ends up affecting how women believe they should see themselves, same with men. "
well yeah, but that's an existential problem... you are never going to have a society that does not have expectations for the individuals that comprise it
and there are always going to be people that fall short of these expectations
but regardless can you give me as example of the expectations you are referring to with regards to women
"Society believes men should be emotionless creatures, then we wonder why suicide rates are so high. "
yeah but again there will never be a society that does not have a concept for what the best behavior for individuals will be
" early on in education, these differences often don't exist at all."
yeah... noticing that before puberty the differences between men and women are not as pronounced isn't earth shattering, the point of puberty is to mature as a man or woman
is your argument that its education and not puberty/biology that causes the greater divide seen later on?
"Doesn't necessarily have to conflict with the idea of equality of outcomes. "
the only way that could be is if you don't acknowledge that there are fundamental differences in men and women
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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Except that was not your point, your point was that being born out of wedlock is what caused fertility dropping down, which is so dumb a point to make that you are slightly changing your rhetoric now with something so obvious that it's really pointless to point it out cause obviously if the replacement rate is below the death rate then the overall result is a shrinking amount of the population. Also about Japan, just cause the new generations of youth rebelled against the traditions does not mean the entire population of Japan does not marry anymore, yet the ENTIRE population of Japan is in danger of plummeting, for many different reasons, social, economic and cultural. Still that has NOTHING to do with marriage. Marriage is dying and I say let it die. Perhaps you need to stay in your 19th century and pray for our souls or whatever you people used to do back then. |
Changing my point? My point never changed. You quoted my point right above twice already. Read the bold part...
Marriage had been the chief pair bonding strategy to produce children in most of the world. In the west and others places it has been killed off and not replaced by anything so the birth rate falls. You don't even deny it happening.
Maybe you should pray for reading comprehension.
In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.
| Stefan.De.Machtige said: Changing my point? My point never changed. You quoted my point right above twice already. Read the bold part... Marriage had been the chief pair bonding strategy to produce children in most of the world. In the west and others places it has been killed off and not replaced by anything so the birth rate falls. You don't even deny it happening. Maybe you should pray for reading comprehension.
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Sorry I'm a freethinker, I use my brain so I don't need to believe in some imaginary invisible man in the sky ruling the universe and pray to him to justify my existence.
As for marriage, for the last time, it's not marriage that produces children it's sex and you mentioned fertility and people are not less fertile cause they are not married compared to people that marry.
If people don't have kids or less kids it's because it's hard, expensive and there is no time with careers in our modern world and NOT because people choose relationships out of wedlock. Anyone can marry and decide to have NO kids just as anyone can never marry and have a ton of kids and that's all there is to it.
| Stefan.De.Machtige said: A lot of people are saying that marriage doesn't matter for children of general family live. Wel if that's the case, why is fertility way down for most (if not all) countries where the marriage rate tanked...? |
Why is the answer simple? Why is that the answer? Why is the answer not something else? Can you provide any support, e.g. in the form of research, for your claim? Or is this only your personal view and not a fact that you present it as?
Most people think this is ok, evolution of society, etc...
I think it is bad for society as a whole and in a certain sense it is un-natural
Having an structured family is very important.
Interesting to see the % of black people born out of marriage, explain a lot.
What about the data for white people, why does it stop on the 90's?
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Sorry I'm a freethinker, I use my brain so I don't need to believe in some imaginary invisible man in the sky ruling the universe and pray to him to justify my existence. As for marriage, for the last time, it's not marriage that produces children it's sex and you mentioned fertility and people are not less fertile cause they are not married compared to people that marry. If people don't have kids or less kids it's because it's hard, expensive and there is no time with careers in our modern world and NOT because people choose relationships out of wedlock. Anyone can marry and decide to have NO kids just as anyone can never marry and have a ton of kids and that's all there is to it. |
"I use my brain so I don't need to believe in some imaginary invisible man in the sky ruling the universe and pray to him to justify my existence."
but you should according to christians
"As for marriage, for the last time, it's not marriage that produces children"
marriage carries with it the expectation of commitment which is supposed to ensure a more stable family environment for children
alternatively cohabitation carries less of an expectation of commitment which makes it more likely to produce an unstable environment
...yes sex produces children but there obviously needs to be consideration for how those children are raised... which is partially what marriage was about
CrazyGamer2017 said:
Sorry I'm a freethinker, I use my brain so I don't need to believe in some imaginary invisible man in the sky ruling the universe and pray to him to justify my existence. As for marriage, for the last time, it's not marriage that produces children it's sex and you mentioned fertility and people are not less fertile cause they are not married compared to people that marry. If people don't have kids or less kids it's because it's hard, expensive and there is no time with careers in our modern world and NOT because people choose relationships out of wedlock. Anyone can marry and decide to have NO kids just as anyone can never marry and have a ton of kids and that's all there is to it. |
No, i wouldn't say you are any kind of thinker at all.
I don't think you know what fertility even means. Here straight from wikipedia of all sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility
"In demographic contexts, fertility refers to the actual production of offspring, rather than the physical capability to produce which is termed fecundity.[1][2] While fertility can be measured, fecundity cannot be."
A marriage as the primairy pair bonding strategy provided fertile people with the reasons to have children in the past. Reasons as security or social status. But since marriage is dead and nothing has replaced it, there are far less reasons to have children as is proven by the low birth rate in most countries.
The reason that "out of wedlock" is indeed a stigma, is because marriage was the primary pair bonding strategy. With that gone and no replacement, fertility can only fall.
In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.
VGPolyglot said:
Are you just going to continually ignore what we post? |
To be fair, he's posting studies of some kind to back his position versus anecdotes. While you don't need two married parents to be successful in life, it's statistically a lot more likely for a child to turn out better with two parents.
outlawauron said:
To be fair, he's posting studies of some kind to back his position versus anecdotes. While you don't need two married parents to be successful in life, it's statistically a lot more likely for a child to turn out better with two parents. |
He's not even addressing us though, he's completely ignoring what we post.
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