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the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:
what did you think the goal of ideologies like feminism was?

to empower women/people? lol

What do you think the goal of feminism is?

The bold is funny, because it has a long history of doing just that.  

to clarify i should have put "is" because i think the goal of bringing about equal rights for women initially was commendable

 

but now that the main agenda is to take responsibility away from women

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/feb/19/blame-the-rapist

i know this is going to be misinterpreted so let me clarify, my issue with the concept of victim blaming is that it removes the woman's agency in that she is told that her choices have no impact on whether she is victimised or not... this is not only dis-empowering but its also a lie as the women of india have realised

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25727080 

 

to take away choices from women

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/01/pc-gone-mad-formula-1-bans-grid-girls-but-some-of-them-arent-happy-about-it/?utm_term=.868925e5bbd4

 

to actually go as far as to destroy the identity associated with women

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4167632/Don-t-call-pregnant-patients-mothers.html

 

and pretty much to do the opposite of empowering women for the most part from what i am observing then one has to wonder what is the true aim?

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I am going to say this, not having a father in my life has lead to emotional issues that has had dire consequences well into adulthood, issues that i've had huge problems dealing with. Maybe marriage isn't important, but having two parents present is



I think it's the conservatives' choices that are falling apart and that's rather a good thing. Why would you need to be married? Who cares if a child is born out of wedlock? Marriage is a religious thing and like all religious things it's the remaining habit of ignorance past, the idea at first was that sex is evil and sinful and that marriage is God's permission to indulge in this shameful and evil practice.

I hope one day 100% of children will be born out of wedlock cause that's when we are truly rid of that religious nonsense.



A lot of people are saying that marriage doesn't matter for children of general family live. Wel if that's the case, why is fertility way down for most (if not all) countries where the marriage rate tanked...?

The answer is simple:
When the chief pair bonding mechanism fails, the bonding fails also. There was a reason why marriage was pushed in the past. They broke the social/religious contract and with it the core of society.

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In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.

Good. It's good to see these views fade away.



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o_O.Q said:

to clarify i should have put "is" because i think the goal of bringing about equal rights for women initially was commendable

 

but now that the main agenda is to take responsibility away from women

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/feb/19/blame-the-rapist

i know this is going to be misinterpreted so let me clarify, my issue with the concept of victim blaming is that it removes the woman's agency in that she is told that her choices have no impact on whether she is victimised or not... this is not only dis-empowering but its also a lie as the women of india have realised

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-25727080 

What does this mean?  

o_O.Q said:

to take away choices from women

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/01/pc-gone-mad-formula-1-bans-grid-girls-but-some-of-them-arent-happy-about-it/?utm_term=.868925e5bbd4

and pretty much to do the opposite of empowering women for the most part from what i am observing then one has to wonder what is the true aim?

Where are the feminists that were asking this to happen?  

Sure, you can certainly find instances of people supporting this, but you can also find feminists who are opposed to it.

https://www.shemazing.net/opinion-why-the-grid-girls-ban-is-a-step-backwards-for-feminism/

I'm not in favor of banning grid girls, because I'm a feminist.  



numberwang said:

57.6% of black children, 31.2% of Hispanic children, and 20.7% of white children are living absent their biological fathers.

http://www.fathers.com/statistics-and-research/the-extent-of-fatherlessness/

The second sentence in your URL: "Millions more have dads who are physically present, but emotionally absent."

A lifelong contract to stay together as a "couple" even when their lives are drifting apart is no guarantee for happy childhoods.

 

Also the absence of the biological father doesn't mean that the children only have one parent / parental figure.



Stefan.De.Machtige said:
A lot of people are saying that marriage doesn't matter for children of general family live. Wel if that's the case, why is fertility way down for most (if not all) countries where the marriage rate tanked...?

The answer is simple:
When the chief pairbonding mechanism fails, the bonding fails also. There was a reason why marriage was pushed in the past. They broke the social/religious contract and with it the core of society.

I did know the internet reached far and wide but I did not know it reached back in time.

So how's having the internet in the 19th century feels? Cause based on your conservative beliefs it's at best the 19th century when you are typing that message.

I don't even know where to begin so I'll just cut to the main point and let you know that fertility rates and marriage have nothing to do with each other. As an example I'll quote Japan where the marriage institution is deeply rooted in social life, yet their fertility rate is plummeting worse than the relevancy of your statement.



Not being married ≠ families falling apart...

The world view of religion never ceases to amaze me.
Many don't think people are even capable of having moral values unless they are told how to live their lives by "God".
And I guess many would agree that if you don't sign a contract called marriage (which was created to divide and distribute assets between two parties and/or families) then the family is "falling apart".

I would rather look at statistics about birthrates, or possibly how many children are raised with a single parent.
That's very different from what OP is suggesting. And keep in mind that marriage is no guarantee that the couple will stick together. One study shows that 52% of marriages end in divorce in USA: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-17/boomers-are-making-sure-the-divorces-keep-coming

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Stefan.De.Machtige said:

A lot of people are saying that marriage doesn't matter for children of general family live. Wel if that's the case, why is fertility way down for most (if not all) countries where the marriage rate tanked...?

The answer is simple:
When the chief pair bonding mechanism fails, the bonding fails also. There was a reason why marriage was pushed in the past. They broke the social/religious contract and with it the core of society.

Fertility rates are dropping in every country.  

But they are dropping faster in richer countries, especially where children mortality is low.  

A long time ago, families might have had 6 children, but have 4 of them die.  Today, families can safely have 2 children, and expect both of them to live as long as they did.