the-pi-guy said:
o_O.Q said:
"This is because even a lot of legitimate rape victims blame themselves. You don't see that kind of blame in other crimes. "
you can say that but its not true
if a car is left unlocked and its stolen or a home then the owner is blamed to some extent for their choices
Not usually.
"When it comes to rape, historically it's often never been the fault of the man. "Boys will be boys.""
not that i even believe this to be the case(women despite feminist nonsense were treated in many ways better than men, for example, men being expected to fight and die to protect women and children) but again i'm talking about present day 2018
This is another big part of feminism, women should be allowed to join the military, become garbage women, etc.
are you really saying that if a man is caught raping a woman that our society just pats him on the back and says "boys will be boys"?
Pretty much.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/us/brock-turner-release-jail/index.html
http://bust.com/general/10119-why-do-rapists-go-free.html
Following this, an officer interrogated Tron about what she was wearing and why she didn’t try to escape earlier. The defense attorney found a number of drawings and photographs on the internet that “proved” that Tron enjoyed rough sex. These images really had nothing to do with the case, or sex, so how twisted is it that they were used against a rape survivor? This is horrible.
"No amount of precautions would eliminate every rape. "
which is the case with every crime... life unfortunately is not fair, which is why you encourage people to be active and take on as much responsibility as they can even though ultimately something bad may happen to them
at least if they are taking precautions then the likelihood that something bad will happen fall much lower
In many situations, there's very few precautions that can be made.
"I don't see this claim anywhere in the article. "
"Employing women solely in a decorative fashion, to adorn and praise successful men is nothing other than problematic. "
" But any job that is awarded simply on looks and that doesn’t really require much skill apart from evading gropers and permanently smiling, seems pretty degrading. "
i mean... that's what the whole articles were about... that's what the whole issue is about... women holding these positions is supposedly objectification so their freedom to choose the positions must be taken away
Just because the articles are saying they have issues with grid girls or they agree with the ban, doesn't mean that's why it came about. If you agree with someone getting 10 years in jail, did they get jail time because of you? Of course not.
"In general yes."
but the thing you're not getting is that people use the idea that men and women should be treated equally as justification for taking away women's rights in circumstances where there is inequality in the way men and women are presented
which is just plain stupid because men and women are different in many ways which invariably leads to different types of representation in different areas
A lot of these things are vastly more complicated than just women being different. The fact that society has certain expectations also ends up affecting how women believe they should see themselves, same with men.
Society believes men should be emotionless creatures, then we wonder why suicide rates are so high.
We can see these kinds of things, because early on in education, these differences often don't exist at all.
the problem with current day feminism is that the underlying idea of equality has shifted from being about rights to being about outcomes, which ironically can only end up hurting women
and yes i agree with you that women and men should be free to pursue whatever they want... but this will consequently result in different outcomes which conflicts with the idea of equality of outcomes
Doesn't necessarily have to conflict with the idea of equality of outcomes.
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"Not usually. "
uh again that's not true
"This is another big part of feminism, women should be allowed to join the military, become garbage women, etc. "
my point was being made with regards to your argument about past oppression
and really? i'll concede on the military, but a big part of feminism is getting women to become garbage women?
"Pretty much."
lol ok and why is rape a crime therefore?
"https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/02/us/brock-turner-release-jail/index.html"
there have been cases where men were jailed for false accusations... does that invalidate your argument? or is the justice system just not perfect?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-surrey-11676804
btw it appears that the investigation did not produce significant evidence to conclude he raped the woman... were you there? do you have sufficient evidence yourself to conclude that he did rape her? or is her accusation enough evidence?
from this article you posted it appears that this is the case
because women never lie and there are never misunderstandings between people... may the gods have mercy on you and not let you fall into a situation where a misunderstanding with a woman or a dishonest women result in your own ideas about these situation result in you getting shafted
"In many situations, there's very few precautions that can be made."
example?
"Just because the articles are saying they have issues with grid girls or they agree with the ban, doesn't mean that's why it came about. I"
oh come on, we both know that its the constant bitching about objectification that causes this nonsense to happen
reminds me of this
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/29/beach-body-ready-ad-faces-formal-inquiry-as-campaign-sparks-outrage
'A lot of these things are vastly more complicated than just women being different. The fact that society has certain expectations also ends up affecting how women believe they should see themselves, same with men. "
well yeah, but that's an existential problem... you are never going to have a society that does not have expectations for the individuals that comprise it
and there are always going to be people that fall short of these expectations
but regardless can you give me as example of the expectations you are referring to with regards to women
"Society believes men should be emotionless creatures, then we wonder why suicide rates are so high. "
yeah but again there will never be a society that does not have a concept for what the best behavior for individuals will be
" early on in education, these differences often don't exist at all."
yeah... noticing that before puberty the differences between men and women are not as pronounced isn't earth shattering, the point of puberty is to mature as a man or woman
is your argument that its education and not puberty/biology that causes the greater divide seen later on?
"Doesn't necessarily have to conflict with the idea of equality of outcomes. "
the only way that could be is if you don't acknowledge that there are fundamental differences in men and women
Last edited by o_O.Q - on 07 April 2018
