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How do you feel about your spin class?

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
John2290 said:

Ideally. It's not against the rules though? Strictly? 

Perhaps a spam rule would be in violation here but that's for the mods to decide. Either way, I think Numberwang should be allowed to post first and then speak later in the comments of the thread. I can't see this as being against the rules unless he repeatedly posts articles without ever interacting or participating in the discussions he creates. Even now, you bring this up, we are off topic and in violation of rules. 

The only reason Numberwang didn't contribute to the OP is because if people got enough of a sense of his viewpoints, they would start calling him out for how bad his contributions to the site are/his threads are. Numberwang not contributing to his thread in the first place, has to do with the fact that he wants to create an environment where he can post something that fits his agenda, and then makes it seem natural by not saying anything and letting the negative comments roll in. If Numberwang actually spoke out more, people would probably see WHY he's making threads like this and react accordingly, instead he seems inoffensive because he isn't writing shit.

So whats the problem?



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o_O.Q said:

"Do you honestly need me to present sources to back up the claim that advertising to a group makes a product more appealing to that group?"

advertising what? their state before the product or after the product?

you are arguing for their state before the product

me and just about every ad agency ever argue for after the product

 

"The author also presents evidence that in her classes with different messaging, she attracts more african-american individuals, which implies that the lack of black people isn't solely due to demographics, but instead due to messaging."

this is one situation where this happened, you can't use one situation where there may be dozens of unacknowledged variables and use that to draw a conclusion about the whole country

 

"Rap is not a membership club. Poor equivalency."

why?

rap is a collective, the article is about a collective... why is it a poor equivalency?

i could just as easily argue that since the rap community is mostly black that this repels white people from becoming more involved

that's the argument isn't it? so how do we, therefore, give white people more representation in the rap community?

a) I was talking about race there. I don't think gyms usually change people's race, but I could be wrong. 

b) Oh nooooo. Someone's opinion piece reflected their opinion based on their experiences and the expert opinions of others who have businesses in the field as well as academics who research the field. Whatever will we doooooo? Let me assert that my opinion based on no relevant experience is more valuable and demand more evidence while presenting none of my own!

c) Rap is not a collective, rap is an art form. I don't need to sign up to the Wu Tang Clan to drop a mixtape. 

"Yes, hello, Ol' Dirty Bastard here, would you like to sign up for a yearly membership to the 36 Chambers? Only $59.99 a month!"

No.

contestgamer said: 
CaptainExplosion said: 

Because nobody else called him out.

Called him out? Again, for what purpose? Virtue signalling? To prove what a great person you are as opposed to the OP?  There's absolutely no purpose.

To....discuss?

I mean, this is a discussion board. If you disagree with something someone said, you say something. I mean, isn't that what you are doing? 

This is silly...

contestgamer said: 

I dont buy it. In a hypothetical, If I was the only white woman at my workplace (say a local Mcdonalds) and everyone else was Black or Middle Eastern, and I complained about how I didn't "belong" you know exactly what would happen. I would be ostracized by the media. This "I dontbelong" BS is an excuse for for personal weakness. How about instead of trying to change your environment to suit you, you change yourself to suit your environment. BE uncomfortable, stick it out and eventually your comfort zone will expand. A thousand years ago we sent 10 year olds to war, threw babies off cliffs in Sparta if they were weak and killed our neighbours for a bag of rice. If doing exercise among a few people that arent your age or race is too much a discomfort for someone then maybe they should continue sitting on their ass. In fact, there's probably a good chance they're fat because they can't handle a little discomfort to begin with. Tough luck, but their fault, not the local studios for not creating a "safe space" where their age, gender, race and size is perfectly represented.

This article isn't a list of demands, it is a conversation starter. It is a discussion of how an industry can better serve a portion of its userbase/potential userbase. It is not a hit piece or a tirade or a demand that the world change, it is simply someone talking about their experiences.

I see no reason to be this rustled about that

Last edited by sundin13 - on 25 March 2018

sundin13 said:
o_O.Q said:

"Do you honestly need me to present sources to back up the claim that advertising to a group makes a product more appealing to that group?"

advertising what? their state before the product or after the product?

you are arguing for their state before the product

me and just about every ad agency ever argue for after the product

 

"The author also presents evidence that in her classes with different messaging, she attracts more african-american individuals, which implies that the lack of black people isn't solely due to demographics, but instead due to messaging."

this is one situation where this happened, you can't use one situation where there may be dozens of unacknowledged variables and use that to draw a conclusion about the whole country

 

"Rap is not a membership club. Poor equivalency."

why?

rap is a collective, the article is about a collective... why is it a poor equivalency?

i could just as easily argue that since the rap community is mostly black that this repels white people from becoming more involved

that's the argument isn't it? so how do we, therefore, give white people more representation in the rap community?

a) I was talking about race there. I don't think gyms usually change people's race, but I could be wrong. 

b) Oh nooooo. Someone's opinion piece reflected their opinion based on their experiences and the expert opinions of others who have businesses in the field as well as academics who research the field. Whatever will we doooooo? Let me assert that my opinion based on no relevant experience is more valuable and demand more evidence while presenting none of my own!

c) Rap is not a collective, rap is an art form. I don't need to sign up to the Wu Tang Clan to drop a mixtape. 

"Yes, hello, Ol' Dirty Bastard here, would you like to sign up for a yearly membership to the 36 Chambers? Only $59.99 a month!"

No.

contestgamer said: 

Called him out? Again, for what purpose? Virtue signalling? To prove what a great person you are as opposed to the OP?  There's absolutely no purpose.

To....discuss?

I mean, this is a discussion board. If you disagree with something someone said, you say something. I mean, isn't that what you are doing? 

This is silly...

contestgamer said: 

I dont buy it. In a hypothetical, If I was the only white woman at my workplace (say a local Mcdonalds) and everyone else was Black or Middle Eastern, and I complained about how I didn't "belong" you know exactly what would happen. I would be ostracized by the media. This "I dontbelong" BS is an excuse for for personal weakness. How about instead of trying to change your environment to suit you, you change yourself to suit your environment. BE uncomfortable, stick it out and eventually your comfort zone will expand. A thousand years ago we sent 10 year olds to war, threw babies off cliffs in Sparta if they were weak and killed our neighbours for a bag of rice. If doing exercise among a few people that arent your age or race is too much a discomfort for someone then maybe they should continue sitting on their ass. In fact, there's probably a good chance they're fat because they can't handle a little discomfort to begin with. Tough luck, but their fault, not the local studios for not creating a "safe space" where their age, gender, race and size is perfectly represented.

This article isn't a list of demands, it is a conversation starter. It is a discussion of how an industry can better serve a portion of its userbase/potential userbase. It is not a hit piece or a tirade or a demand that the world change, it is simply someone talking about their experiences.

I see no reason to be this rustled about that

Conversion starters exist with an agenda. It's clear that the writers agenda is more forced diversity and inclusivity in  studios and their marketing.



contestgamer said:

Conversion starters exist with an agenda. It's clear that the writers agenda is more forced diversity and inclusivity in  studios and their marketing.

Oh nooooooo. More inclusivity? We're all doomed! 



contestgamer said:
StarOcean said:

You’re supposed to. In reality you’re supposed to put your opinion in the OP. The thread should be shut down for lacking any substance other than to cause intentional problems. And they are intentional.

Someone cant handle the discussion spurred by this thread huh?

Nobody cares about the OP's opinion (no offense), the discussion spurred by the article linked to makes this thread valuable in itself. You come to a thread for the discussion, not for a single OP.

No discussion is being made from the article. It's cherry picked to death by a hit-and-run OP who is too scared to say anything. Btw he's breaking rules by not actually posting anything of substance in said OP. Linking an article with no input is against the rules as already said by VGPoly. And let's be clear. This is not a discussion, it's a circle jerk.



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sundin13 said:
contestgamer said:

Conversion starters exist with an agenda. It's clear that the writers agenda is more forced diversity and inclusivity in  studios and their marketing.

Oh nooooooo. More inclusivity? We're all doomed! 

Should we ban your account, StarOcean and John, so we are more inclusive to women?



numberwang said:
sundin13 said:

Oh nooooooo. More inclusivity? We're all doomed! 

Should we ban your account, StarOcean and John, so we are more inclusive to women?

Well, no, because that would be excluding people, and excluding people, last time I checked at least, isn't including people. They are usually considered opposites, but hey, english, amirite?



Those bastards racist heterossexual white people going to gym classes, how come? They should only be allowed to have spin classes inside their own homes. Lets take back the spin classes. Power to the people!