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TranceformerFX said:
Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit.

You mean forced INDIVERSITY, because there's nothing diverse about it.



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TranceformerFX said:
Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit./

If you don't like the movie, whatever. Some don't. But you're mad that the movie is successful? There's a lot of elements in place that made it a hit. And you reach back to a movie that's only 25 years old, but an R-rated indie drama to compare it to? Menace 2 Society and Black Panther have shit all to do with each other. That's like saying nobody should have seen American Sniper because Raiders of the Lost Ark was a better movie. It's a non-sequitur.



contestgamer said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

Oh boy, a lot of hot takes here. I don't think blacks alone put in the money to make this the hit it is. Especially with the foreign total. Also, none of this property is created by anyone of african-american ancestry. The characters are African, hence all the black people. The character is not named Black Panther because he is black, it's a redundancy describing the panther animal. A darker pigment of big cat species that the character's motif is based on. Yes, there's a habit of putting the prefix "black" on some characters to separate them from a white counterpart, but that's another issue.

Black people going to see a movie starring black people is not a personal slight made against you. This movie is made for all audiences. Plus, it's a Marvel film, so there's a built-in audience already. The world wasn't ready to give all their money to a superhero film with black leads for the hell of it. Black folks wanted to see a quality superhero flick with a AA lead for a change, and everyone in general wanted to check out a decent flick. It's part of a bigger picture and it's an enjoyable movie to boot. There is no "blacks only" sign under the door. The only racism here is the conditions you're setting this movie up with in your own head.

Obviously not only black people saw this, a lot of white people suffer from a sense of white guilt as well that were tweeting this movie when it launched, encouraging people to go see it as if it were some major cultural moment. The issue isnt the character - the issue is that the movie was openly advertised and applauded for having a purposefully all black cast and crew. You could not get away with that if it were white. The NBA is mostly black, but it's incidental - that's fine. If the NBA advertised itself as being all black and not primarily black then it would be the same problem. 

I don't think Marvel marketed it like that. Other people blew it up to a cultural phenomenon. And so what? Sometimes movies are zeitgeists. What have you lost from this movie being a hit?



RJ_Sizzle said:
TranceformerFX said:
Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit./

If you don't like the movie, whatever. Some don't. But you're mad that the movie is successful? There's a lot of elements in place that made it a hit. And you reach back to a movie that's only 25 years old, but an R-rated indie drama to compare it to? Menace 2 Society and Black Panther have shit all to do with each other. That's like saying nobody should have seen American Sniper because Raiders of the Lost Ark was a better movie. It's a non-sequitur.

Again, just change your perspective. If a movie that was advertising itself as being all white, hiring only white actors and cast and called itself white panther, would you be happy it was successful? A movie that specifically PRIDED itself in being all white. I wouldnt.



RJ_Sizzle said:
contestgamer said:

Obviously not only black people saw this, a lot of white people suffer from a sense of white guilt as well that were tweeting this movie when it launched, encouraging people to go see it as if it were some major cultural moment. The issue isnt the character - the issue is that the movie was openly advertised and applauded for having a purposefully all black cast and crew. You could not get away with that if it were white. The NBA is mostly black, but it's incidental - that's fine. If the NBA advertised itself as being all black and not primarily black then it would be the same problem. 

I don't think Marvel marketed it like that. Other people blew it up to a cultural phenomenon. And so what? Sometimes movies are zeitgeists. What have you lost from this movie being a hit?

Equality. Because society now accepts one group doing something that another group cannot. I cannot make an all white movie (purposefully, not incidentally) without being outcast (fair enough), and so I have lost equality to another group that can make a movie that is all purposefully black cast. (not fair enough) 

In fighting for equality we're creating inequalities.



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contestgamer said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

If you don't like the movie, whatever. Some don't. But you're mad that the movie is successful? There's a lot of elements in place that made it a hit. And you reach back to a movie that's only 25 years old, but an R-rated indie drama to compare it to? Menace 2 Society and Black Panther have shit all to do with each other. That's like saying nobody should have seen American Sniper because Raiders of the Lost Ark was a better movie. It's a non-sequitur.

Again, just change your perspective. If a movie that was advertising itself as being all white, hiring only white actors and cast and called itself white panther, would you be happy it was successful? A movie that specifically PRIDED itself in being all white. I wouldnt.

The movie takes place in Africa, in a fictional African country, where most of the players are black. You're basically saying you wouldn't have looked twice if this was yet another Marvel movie starring white people. This movie is for everyone. Did they say you couldn't go see it? You're making something out of an issue that's just not there.

The movie is part of the greater Marvel Universe. Black Panther is a friend to the rest of the Marvel U as of Infinity War. Not every movie with a mostly black cast is made to spite you.



RJ_Sizzle said:
contestgamer said:

Again, just change your perspective. If a movie that was advertising itself as being all white, hiring only white actors and cast and called itself white panther, would you be happy it was successful? A movie that specifically PRIDED itself in being all white. I wouldnt.

The movie takes place in Africa, in a fictional African country, where most of the players are black. You're basically saying you wouldn't have looked twice if this was yet another Marvel movie starring white people. This movie is for everyone. Did they say you couldn't go see it? You're making something out of an issue that's just not there.

The movie is part of the greater Marvel Universe. Black Panther is a friend to the rest of the Marvel U as of Infinity War. Not every movie with a mostly black cast is made to spite you.

Again, this movie PURPOSEFULLY has an all black cast and is acclaimed for it.  If a Marvel movie set out to have a purposefully hire an all white cast and was proud of it there would be outrage. And BTW there are a lot of white people in Africa. This wasnt incidentally, randomly all black cast, it was set out to be. Don't pretend that it would be received the same if the studio set out to purposefully have an all white cast.



contestgamer said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

The movie takes place in Africa, in a fictional African country, where most of the players are black. You're basically saying you wouldn't have looked twice if this was yet another Marvel movie starring white people. This movie is for everyone. Did they say you couldn't go see it? You're making something out of an issue that's just not there.

The movie is part of the greater Marvel Universe. Black Panther is a friend to the rest of the Marvel U as of Infinity War. Not every movie with a mostly black cast is made to spite you.

Again, this movie PURPOSEFULLY has an all black cast and is acclaimed for it.  If a Marvel movie set out to have a purposefully hire an all white cast and was proud of it there would be outrage. And BTW there are a lot of white people in Africa. This wasnt incidentally, randomly all black cast, it was set out to be. Don't pretend that it would be received the same if the studio set out to purposefully have an all white cast.

No the film has a black cast because it's set in Africa for the majority of it where the majority of people are black (notice how the scenes in South Korea had a lot of Korean people that's how different places in the world are) and as someone of African descent I can tell you the percentage of white people there isn't that high and most are based in the southern region countries where as BP is set in the eastern region where the are fewer whites if you're expecting it to be like the US ration of black and whites you're mistaken, it has acclaim because it's actually a good film that's what it comes down to. The BP comic books have a majority of black characters as well I think you've manufactured some issue here that doesn't exist for what ever reason, BP was hyped before the movie because of his acclaimed appearance in Civil War, he brought a Batman like vibe to the MCU.



Wyrdness said:
contestgamer said:

Again, this movie PURPOSEFULLY has an all black cast and is acclaimed for it.  If a Marvel movie set out to have a purposefully hire an all white cast and was proud of it there would be outrage. And BTW there are a lot of white people in Africa. This wasnt incidentally, randomly all black cast, it was set out to be. Don't pretend that it would be received the same if the studio set out to purposefully have an all white cast.

No the film has a black cast because it's set in Africa for the majority of it where the majority of people are black (notice how the scenes in South Korea had a lot of Korean people that's how different places in the world are) and as someone of African descent I can tell you the percentage of white people there isn't that high and most are based in the southern region countries where as BP is set in the eastern region where the are fewer whites if you're expecting it to be like the US ration of black and whites you're mistaken, it has acclaim because it's actually a good film that's what it comes down to. The BP comic books have a majority of black characters as well I think you've manufactured some issue here that doesn't exist for what ever reason, BP was hyped before the movie because of his acclaimed appearance in Civil War, he brought a Batman like vibe to the MCU.

It's an American movie where the black population is 15% yet the production crew is a far higher percentage black for this movie. It is on purpose, the director has spoken as much about it. It's openly praised for being a celebration of black culture: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/23/17028826/black-panther-wakanda-culture-marvel

 

This movie is openly about empowering blacks, black culture and black narratives. That would be fine if it was equally acceptable to do that for whites, but it's not. It happens incidentally, but it would not be considered acceptable if a movie released with the specific purpose of celebrating white culture, having an all white cast in a fictional all white country and then calling it "white panther". It would be considered racist, because frankly it would be. However it should be considered the same when other groups do it.

There is double standard, period.



TranceformerFX said:
Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit.

Actually, Menace 2 Society isn't that good its owns its existence to Boyz n the Hood which is a better movie with a better cast.