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IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

 

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Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 10 April 2018

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contestgamer said:
IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

Black Panther was a superhero created pre Black Panther party by a bunch of white dudes. Also it takes place in Africa, so I think it would be really weird if they are all white.



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Arminillo said:
contestgamer said:
IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

Black Panther was a superhero created pre Black Panther party by a bunch of white dudes. Also it takes place in Africa, so I think it would be really weird if they are all white.

Sure, but change the setting to US, Canada or Sweden and you'd have an outcry. It doesn't matter, the idea that a movie that advertises how it's deliberately all white-cast would get killed.



contestgamer said:
Arminillo said:

Black Panther was a superhero created pre Black Panther party by a bunch of white dudes. Also it takes place in Africa, so I think it would be really weird if they are all white.

Sure, but change the setting to US, Canada or Sweden and you'd have an outcry. It doesn't matter, the idea that a movie that advertises how it's deliberately all white-cast would get killed.

I've always hated this argument. It sounds reasonable on the surface, but breaks down the second you put even a moment's thought into it. 

Yes, it would be terrible to make 'white panther', just like it would be terrible to make a Straight Pride Parade. Why? because we live in a world where black folks, gay folks, women, and all sorts of other groups have been repressed, and these celebrations aren't about bringing down the majority, but lifting the minority. 

Black Panther's cultural relevance wasn't hinging on the idea that white folks are inferior, but that Black people aren't. The Gay pride parade isn't about devaluing the importance of straight relationships, it's about empowering those in gay relationships. 

It's the same way with comedy. You don't punch down, you punch up. It's okay to tease and belittle those in power because they can deal with it. Poking fun at the upper class is fine because they're the upper class. It's not okay for a rich white guy to make racist jokes about Mexicans or Black folks because it stops being about the humor and starts being about authority and oppression. While there are exceptions, of course, that is the reality of it. 

That's why Black Lives matter is a significant cultural movement but White Lives Matter is just racism. It's about perspective, and if you see them as equals, then you're not living in the real world. 



SpokenTruth said:
contestgamer said:
IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

We already had White Panther.  It was called Captain America.

Don't play some naive reverse racism card.  Black targeted entertainment exists because the default entertainment target are white people.  An underrepresented market will always work to develop its own.  BET exists because the default music channels were targeted towards whites.  Every minority targeted market exists because they are not included in proper proportion and representation as the default.

Furthermore, a good bit of BP's success can be attributed to all of the "White Panther" movies: it finally gave a reason for an obviously underserved market to go to the movies.



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SpokenTruth said:
Insidb said:

Furthermore, a good bit of BP's success can be attributed to all of the "White Panther" movies: it finally gave a reason for an obviously underserved market to go to the movies.

Indeed.  It tied into a larger universe, literally, that is working to bring it, and us, all together.

I rolled my eyes lol.



contestgamer said:
IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

Oh boy, a lot of hot takes here. I don't think blacks alone put in the money to make this the hit it is. Especially with the foreign total. Also, none of this property is created by anyone of african-american ancestry. The characters are African, hence all the black people. The character is not named Black Panther because he is black, it's a redundancy describing the panther animal. A darker pigment of big cat species that the character's motif is based on. Yes, there's a habit of putting the prefix "black" on some characters to separate them from a white counterpart, but that's another issue.

Black people going to see a movie starring black people is not a personal slight made against you. This movie is made for all audiences. Plus, it's a Marvel film, so there's a built-in audience already. The world wasn't ready to give all their money to a superhero film with black leads for the hell of it. Black folks wanted to see a quality superhero flick with a AA lead for a change, and everyone in general wanted to check out a decent flick. It's part of a bigger picture and it's an enjoyable movie to boot. There is no "blacks only" sign under the door. The only racism here is the conditions you're setting this movie up with in your own head.



SpokenTruth said:
contestgamer said:
IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

We already had White Panther.  It was called Captain America.

Don't play some naive reverse racism card.  Black targeted entertainment exists because the default entertainment target are white people.  An underrepresented market will always work to develop its own.  BET exists because the default music channels were targeted towards whites.  Every minority targeted market exists because they are not included in proper proportion and representation as the default.

Wrong. Show me where captain america openly stated and marketed the fact that it had a deliberately all white cast and production crew and you'll have a point.  IF they did that there would be outrage. Incidentally being mostly white isn't the same as being purposefully mostly white and advertising that fact.



RJ_Sizzle said:
contestgamer said:
IMO this movie grossed as much as it has due to an undercurrent of soft racism pervading the country directed towards whites. It doesn't change the numbers, and top 5 all time DBO is impressive, but IMO its concerning that we as a society have decided to reward some forms of racism while punishing others. If you called this the "white panther", had a cast that was openly cast BECAUSE they're white (and weren't just incidentally all white), advertised as all white the public perception would be something totally different.

Oh boy, a lot of hot takes here. I don't think blacks alone put in the money to make this the hit it is. Especially with the foreign total. Also, none of this property is created by anyone of african-american ancestry. The characters are African, hence all the black people. The character is not named Black Panther because he is black, it's a redundancy describing the panther animal. A darker pigment of big cat species that the character's motif is based on. Yes, there's a habit of putting the prefix "black" on some characters to separate them from a white counterpart, but that's another issue.

Black people going to see a movie starring black people is not a personal slight made against you. This movie is made for all audiences. Plus, it's a Marvel film, so there's a built-in audience already. The world wasn't ready to give all their money to a superhero film with black leads for the hell of it. Black folks wanted to see a quality superhero flick with a AA lead for a change, and everyone in general wanted to check out a decent flick. It's part of a bigger picture and it's an enjoyable movie to boot. There is no "blacks only" sign under the door. The only racism here is the conditions you're setting this movie up with in your own head.

Obviously not only black people saw this, a lot of white people suffer from a sense of white guilt as well that were tweeting this movie when it launched, encouraging people to go see it as if it were some major cultural moment. The issue isnt the character - the issue is that the movie was openly advertised and applauded for having a purposefully all black cast and crew. You could not get away with that if it were white. The NBA is mostly black, but it's incidental - that's fine. If the NBA advertised itself as being all black and not primarily black then it would be the same problem. 



Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit.