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contestgamer on 03 April 2018
Alara317 said:
contestgamer said:

Sure, but change the setting to US, Canada or Sweden and you'd have an outcry. It doesn't matter, the idea that a movie that advertises how it's deliberately all white-cast would get killed.

I've always hated this argument. It sounds reasonable on the surface, but breaks down the second you put even a moment's thought into it. 

Yes, it would be terrible to make 'white panther', just like it would be terrible to make a Straight Pride Parade. Why? because we live in a world where black folks, gay folks, women, and all sorts of other groups have been repressed, and these celebrations aren't about bringing down the majority, but lifting the minority. 

Black Panther's cultural relevance wasn't hinging on the idea that white folks are inferior, but that Black people aren't. The Gay pride parade isn't about devaluing the importance of straight relationships, it's about empowering those in gay relationships. 

It's the same way with comedy. You don't punch down, you punch up. It's okay to tease and belittle those in power because they can deal with it. Poking fun at the upper class is fine because they're the upper class. It's not okay for a rich white guy to make racist jokes about Mexicans or Black folks because it stops being about the humor and starts being about authority and oppression. While there are exceptions, of course, that is the reality of it. 

That's why Black Lives matter is a significant cultural movement but White Lives Matter is just racism. It's about perspective, and if you see them as equals, then you're not living in the real world. 

First of all, I never understood your point about comedy "punching down". That's again just creating an inequality, where those higher up can't do something that those lower down the social ladder can. Second, these celebrations are about bringing down the majority, because they're designed to create inequality. Lifting the minority would be decriminalizing drugs, eliminating ID requirements for voting, getting rid of alimony (where men are screwed), etc. That is simply removing unnecessary inequalities that affect one group over another. However allowing one group to do something another group can't only builds resentment, because now you have a group that can have its own channel, a movie that proudly celebrates being deliberately black cast and produced etc. Even things like gender neutral bathrooms are discriminatory, because statistically women visit bathrooms more frequently and for longer durations, hence longer lines at womens bathrooms in stadiums which studies have proven out. So having gender neutral bathrooms would hurt men by forcing them in to longer wait times and line ups that arent of their own doing. 

Lift people by removing obstacles and not by giving giving them ladders that the rest of us don't get or by allowing them experiences the rest of us cant have (such as celebrating a movie designed to be culturally excluding of other groups). 

The problem with "celebrations" is that the only group that cant openly celebrate itself are white, straight men. Every other group can. Celebrations are inherently exclusionary unequal, what we need is real equality by removing obstacles that effect certain groups and not others unfairly. 



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Wyrdness on 03 April 2018
contestgamer said:
Wyrdness said:

No the film has a black cast because it's set in Africa for the majority of it where the majority of people are black (notice how the scenes in South Korea had a lot of Korean people that's how different places in the world are) and as someone of African descent I can tell you the percentage of white people there isn't that high and most are based in the southern region countries where as BP is set in the eastern region where the are fewer whites if you're expecting it to be like the US ration of black and whites you're mistaken, it has acclaim because it's actually a good film that's what it comes down to. The BP comic books have a majority of black characters as well I think you've manufactured some issue here that doesn't exist for what ever reason, BP was hyped before the movie because of his acclaimed appearance in Civil War, he brought a Batman like vibe to the MCU.

It's an American movie where the black population is 15% yet the production crew is a far higher percentage black for this movie. It is on purpose, the director has spoken as much about it. It's openly praised for being a celebration of black culture: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/23/17028826/black-panther-wakanda-culture-marvel

 

This movie is openly about empowering blacks, black culture and black narratives. That would be fine if it was equally acceptable to do that for whites, but it's not. It happens incidentally, but it would not be considered acceptable if a movie released with the specific purpose of celebrating white culture, having an all white cast in a fictional all white country and then calling it "white panther". It would be considered racist, because frankly it would be. However it should be considered the same when other groups do it.

There is double standard, period.

Movies have been celebrating white culture for decades hell many focus on the hell yeah America type theme, no one bats an eye because it's common as hell at this point you're upset over nothing here as you know what has had all white cast with white super heroes? Pretty much the majority of movies out there this is why people aren't getting your argument here want a white panther you have a number of easy examples to choose from in Captain America, Batman, Superman... the's no double standards here you've literally invented a problem that isn't there that's why it's coming across as you more having a problem that it isn't white then any true issue.



contestgamer on 03 April 2018
Wyrdness said:
contestgamer said:

It's an American movie where the black population is 15% yet the production crew is a far higher percentage black for this movie. It is on purpose, the director has spoken as much about it. It's openly praised for being a celebration of black culture: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/2/23/17028826/black-panther-wakanda-culture-marvel

 

This movie is openly about empowering blacks, black culture and black narratives. That would be fine if it was equally acceptable to do that for whites, but it's not. It happens incidentally, but it would not be considered acceptable if a movie released with the specific purpose of celebrating white culture, having an all white cast in a fictional all white country and then calling it "white panther". It would be considered racist, because frankly it would be. However it should be considered the same when other groups do it.

There is double standard, period.

Movies have been celebrating white culture for decades hell many focus on the hell yeah America type theme, no one bats an eye because it's common as hell at this point you're upset over nothing here as you know what has had all white cast with white super heroes? Pretty much the majority of movies out there this is why people aren't getting your argument here want a white panther you have a number of easy examples to choose from in Captain America, Batman, Superman... the's no double standards here you've literally invented a problem that isn't there that's why it's coming across as you more having a problem that it isn't white then any true issue.

All those examples you included were incidentally white as a result of being filmed in a majority white country. They did not proclaim to be purposefully conduits of white culture or with a purpose of empowering white folk. That's the issue, intent matters. Black panther is clearly aiming to be of cultural significance for a specific group which none of your examples were meant to be for white folk.



TranceformerFX on 03 April 2018
RJ_Sizzle said:
TranceformerFX said:
Black Panther: The only movie where forced diversity is celebrated and it's critical reception is measured by it's political significance and not the quality of the actual film.

Black Panthers Box Office gross is not only pathetic, but also sets a precedent on the state of mind that this country is in.

Want to watch an all Black cast movie that's actually of great quality? Watch "Menace 2 Society". Came out 25 years ago. All Black cast - nobody gave a shit./

If you don't like the movie, whatever. Some don't. But you're mad that the movie is successful? There's a lot of elements in place that made it a hit. And you reach back to a movie that's only 25 years old, but an R-rated indie drama to compare it to? Menace 2 Society and Black Panther have shit all to do with each other. That's like saying nobody should have seen American Sniper because Raiders of the Lost Ark was a better movie. It's a non-sequitur.

Of course I'm mad the movie is successful, and black people should be too. How sad it must be that you're part of one of the most successful movies of all time, and the only thing that made it successful was their skin color.

 

Not the quality of the movie, not their acting ability, not the story/plot, not the take away, not the cinematography...

 

No, the reason your movie is famous is because you and the entire cast of the movie is black. I'd be ashamed. 

 

And FYI - Menace 2 Society isn't an indie movie.



Insidb on 03 April 2018
contestgamer said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

Oh boy, a lot of hot takes here. I don't think blacks alone put in the money to make this the hit it is. Especially with the foreign total. Also, none of this property is created by anyone of african-american ancestry. The characters are African, hence all the black people. The character is not named Black Panther because he is black, it's a redundancy describing the panther animal. A darker pigment of big cat species that the character's motif is based on. Yes, there's a habit of putting the prefix "black" on some characters to separate them from a white counterpart, but that's another issue.

Black people going to see a movie starring black people is not a personal slight made against you. This movie is made for all audiences. Plus, it's a Marvel film, so there's a built-in audience already. The world wasn't ready to give all their money to a superhero film with black leads for the hell of it. Black folks wanted to see a quality superhero flick with a AA lead for a change, and everyone in general wanted to check out a decent flick. It's part of a bigger picture and it's an enjoyable movie to boot. There is no "blacks only" sign under the door. The only racism here is the conditions you're setting this movie up with in your own head.

Obviously not only black people saw this, a lot of white people suffer from a sense of white guilt as well that were tweeting this movie when it launched, encouraging people to go see it as if it were some major cultural moment. The issue isnt the character - the issue is that the movie was openly advertised and applauded for having a purposefully all black cast and crew. You could not get away with that if it were white. The NBA is mostly black, but it's incidental - that's fine. If the NBA advertised itself as being all black and not primarily black then it would be the same problem. 

US Population: 13% Black

BP Audience: 37% Black

http://fortune.com/2018/02/21/black-panther-record-box-office-diverse-audience/



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Insidb on 03 April 2018
TranceformerFX said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

If you don't like the movie, whatever. Some don't. But you're mad that the movie is successful? There's a lot of elements in place that made it a hit. And you reach back to a movie that's only 25 years old, but an R-rated indie drama to compare it to? Menace 2 Society and Black Panther have shit all to do with each other. That's like saying nobody should have seen American Sniper because Raiders of the Lost Ark was a better movie. It's a non-sequitur.

Of course I'm mad the movie is successful, and black people should be too. How sad it must be that you're part of one of the most successful movies of all time, and the only thing that made it successful was their skin color.

 

Not the quality of the movie, not their acting ability, not the story/plot, not the take away, not the cinematography...

 

No, the reason your movie is famous is because you and the entire cast of the movie is black. I'd be ashamed. 

 

And FYI - Menace 2 Society isn't an indie movie.

How sad must it be that they're part of one of the most discriminated against demographics of all time, and one of the only things that keeps them from being successful is their skin color?

MAYBE, if not for rampant and ignorant racism, such movies wouldn't be so rare and the audience starved for them.



contestgamer on 03 April 2018
Insidb said:
contestgamer said:

Obviously not only black people saw this, a lot of white people suffer from a sense of white guilt as well that were tweeting this movie when it launched, encouraging people to go see it as if it were some major cultural moment. The issue isnt the character - the issue is that the movie was openly advertised and applauded for having a purposefully all black cast and crew. You could not get away with that if it were white. The NBA is mostly black, but it's incidental - that's fine. If the NBA advertised itself as being all black and not primarily black then it would be the same problem. 

US Population: 13% Black

BP Audience: 37% Black

http://fortune.com/2018/02/21/black-panther-record-box-office-diverse-audience/

Proves my point. Many Whites watched of guilt minorities out of empowerment 



contestgamer on 03 April 2018
Insidb said:
TranceformerFX said:

Of course I'm mad the movie is successful, and black people should be too. How sad it must be that you're part of one of the most successful movies of all time, and the only thing that made it successful was their skin color.

 

Not the quality of the movie, not their acting ability, not the story/plot, not the take away, not the cinematography...

 

No, the reason your movie is famous is because you and the entire cast of the movie is black. I'd be ashamed. 

 

And FYI - Menace 2 Society isn't an indie movie.

How sad must it be that they're part of one of the most discriminated against demographics of all time, and one of the only things that keeps them from being successful is their skin color?

MAYBE, if not for rampant and ignorant racism, such movies wouldn't be so rare and the audience starved for them.

So you want more racist movies? 



donathos on 03 April 2018

Just saw Black Panther and not that anyone will care, but for the record, the cast is not all-black.



Azelover on 03 April 2018

Just saw it too, and the movie has surprised me. It is a lot better than I imagined..

Usually I take a minute break after one hour or so, but this movie had me glued to the chair till the end. Excellent movie.