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I cant say I have heard about open borders in italy. Is this in case they bring it up? Was EU making them? I don't know if this is some kind of backlash like trump was for The US.



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Hiku said:
Luke888 said:
Italian here, ask anything about our politics. I wanted to make this thread myself to warn people from other countries of the risks of populism and anti-EU movements but I wanted to see what kind of coalition (if any) would form.

Just so you know, Matteo Renzi, the leader of PD just resigned (like 40 minutes ago) and expressed his opposition to any form of alliance with Right and M5S

Anything you can add to this video? :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdhQzXHYLZ4&t=1s

"I like him because he puts Italian's first.
And I guess he's a fascist too. What can you do?"

You could not vote for him...? lol

YES! Oliver didn't pay enough attention to the M5S as the votes prove, they are INSANE, most people vote them for protest or because of their claim I've already mentioned of "we're the only good politicians", additionally they are promising a "citizenship income", which they want to guarantee to lots of people and of course is unaffordable by our current economical situation. The citizenship income is the main reason why the M5S got this many votes: the votes for M5S mostly came from the South while the votes for Lega came mostly from the North (Lega used to be a separationist party), this is due to the lack of jobs for Italians living in the South which has been an issue since Italy's birth. Overall it's clear to anyone that grasps a little of politics that M5S is a "too good to be true" party and as soon as they'll be at the lead of the country they'll just turn the country in a flaming ball of chaos.

On the Fascist Oliver omitted that while yes, Lega is racist and somewhat fascist, they're not even the WORST in the elections, there's currently two Far Right parties, CasaPound and Forza Nuova, who are admitedly neo-fascist, they have no problem to admit it and, while both of them are under 1%, they are still a HUGE problem because they can easily gain votes from Lega, which as we know now has 18% of the total votes. To be clear, our constitution, which was adopted in 1948 afted the fall of Mussolini, is supposed to ban all sorts of fascist or violent parties, but, due to it being rushed after the end of the war, its misleadingly worderd, this makes it so that the only illegal thing is creating the "Fascist Party", as in a party that is litterally named Fascist, anything else is allowed. Many tried to change the constitution but it's extremely hard and this point was never fixed.

On the opposite side the Left isn't perfect too, while PD (which is center-left) was by far the best option (personal opinion), there are also comunist parties, first of which is PaP, while they have proven to be less aggressive than the Far Right, they were involved with fights against the police in the last few months, which caused a growth in popularity of the Far Right parties

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eva01beserk said:
I cant say I have heard about open borders in italy. Is this in case they bring it up? Was EU making them? I don't know if this is some kind of backlash like trump was for The US.

The EU and NGOs brought in ca 600K migrants in the last three years into Italy from Africa. All right and center right parties promised to deport them back and they probably won the election based on that.

Berlusconi pledges to deport 600,000 illegal immigrants from Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/05/berlusconi-pledges-to-deport-600000-illegal-immigrants-italy-election

 



It's pretty obvious that Russia is trying to dismantle the EU and boost nationalist movements in western countries.



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numberwang said:
eva01beserk said:
I cant say I have heard about open borders in italy. Is this in case they bring it up? Was EU making them? I don't know if this is some kind of backlash like trump was for The US.

The EU and NGOs brought in ca 600K migrants in the last three years into Italy from Africa. All right and center right parties promised to deport them back and they probably won the election based on that.

Berlusconi pledges to deport 600,000 illegal immigrants from Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/05/berlusconi-pledges-to-deport-600000-illegal-immigrants-italy-election

 

 

 

I highly doubt that Italy actually *has* 600 000 permanent refugees, the majority should move north within the next few years.



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StarOcean said:
Facism really is coming back, huh? Oh boy. I guess we were due for another genocide

Or a Civil War. Everyone needs a new one. Apparently, five decades of compromise still haven't sunken in just yet. Some people only learn by way of the gun if I know... 



Epic was right all along... 

numberwang said:
eva01beserk said:
I cant say I have heard about open borders in italy. Is this in case they bring it up? Was EU making them? I don't know if this is some kind of backlash like trump was for The US.

The EU and NGOs brought in ca 600K migrants in the last three years into Italy from Africa. All right and center right parties promised to deport them back and they probably won the election based on that.

Berlusconi pledges to deport 600,000 illegal immigrants from Italy

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/05/berlusconi-pledges-to-deport-600000-illegal-immigrants-italy-election

 

SO they are not full blown sweden and are trying to avoid becoming like them. Understandable. 



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Luke888 said:

YES! Oliver didn't pay enough attention to the M5S as the votes prove, they are INSANE, most people vote them for protest

I wanted to like the M5S at first due to the failures of the center left party but I couldn't ignore some of their insane positions to make that vote. I drew the line when I found out they have an anti-vaccination stance, I can't believe how popular it is there (I live in the US). I ended up voting PD knowing they would not win and that nothing would change even if they did. The choices people have there are terrible.



Matteo Salvini rejected cooperation with M5S...

Even now I am starting to wonder if these guys realize the enemy of their enemy is their friend. I am also tempted to ask an Italian person I met in school whether they voted for these guys or Italian United Russia...



Epic was right all along...