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Trump 2020

Hell yes! 20 25.32%
 
Lets wait and see! 3 3.80%
 
Fuck no! 50 63.29%
 
Indifferent/comments/Hilary's dusty pussy... 6 7.59%
 
Total:79

Trump Bear stands proud in my living room. waiting for the day to vote again. You guys should get one,its cute and cuddly

 

also I feel John has been spot on so far in this thread



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John2290 said:
Hiku said:

Oh I believe it. That video you posted is a good example of how white supremacists gain favor from the general public. They're lead to believe that white people are more victimized than minorities. Take this specific portion of the video for example: "Even though there are far more whites who are killed by the police every year."



First of all, what that chart shows is not "far more" whites than the minorities. It's just about even, or slightly less. But even if you want to only compare it to another specific minority like "Black", the video creator deliberately leaves out two very obvious fallacies that he doesn't want you to think about.

1.) There are far more white people in USA than minorities:


and so with an overwhelming majority, there's little surprise that more white people than any other specific group are being killed. However, the main point is:

2.) The police shootings of minorities that have been sensationalized by the media have generally been about cases where the minorities were murdered by the police (like the police officer who was sentenced to 20 years in prison for shooting a black man in the back and then planting a tazer on him https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/07/us/michael-slager-sentence-walter-scott.html ), or cases where that is the suspicion.
The reason many of the white police killings aren't sensationalized is because they're not nearly as often executed while unarmed, with their hands on their head, etc.

These videos won't talk about these things. All they want is to scare people into buying into things like this other gem from the same video author:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSlagnuWSc8

I would like to tell everyone to please don't fall for this nonsense...
Yes, in some cases us white people get the shaft, but we are still far far better off than any minority group. We will be just fine.

But that leads me into my main point here. No, I'm not surprised that Trump won because the average voter isn't very knowledgeable about who or what they vote for, are easily impressionable, especially when the motivation is fear and victimization, and they don't fact check.
Many people who voted for Obama fall into this category as well. They vote for the wrong reasons.
It's easier to win by being dishonest and using fear mongering.

Well that's another point. The left is driving people towards white supremacy  (And black supremacy) at levels not seen in years. Honestly, never had a racist bone in my body until I heard some of the nonsense these far leftest, bamn and radical BLM people come out with , its so racist at times against white people I feel a slight urge to band together with other white people as if we are being attacked. Its tribal nature and this is what the video also points out, they need to back up a see what real before they cause more division than they already have.  

I try and resist thinking like that but its becomes quite difficult after a while. I'm a white, straight, Christian male. The left just continues to hammer over and over those groups. A lot of the attacks are accurate, but at some point you feel backed into a corner and want to lash out. That being said, I guess it does help to at least start to empathize with how some minorities were treated, and grouping people together.



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John2290 said:
Props to those of you who stated you voted for trump or currently support him, It's integrity like that that is respectable, especially in 2018 and all the hate/altered image you get from it. Those balls of steel behove you guys, they keep you routed with a firm center of gravity. Again, props.

It can also be defined as "insisting on being a dumbass".



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John2290 said:
SpokenTruth said:
Trump won because half of this country wanted to return to 1950. Coal and Christians.

Point of the entire video right there, proven. 

I'm sorry but this whole notion is ridiculous.  The people bothered by this were going to vote Trump anyway.  Anybody imagining they were actually debating between Trump and Clinton and the tipping point was a snarky left has bought into the victimhood.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

The people turn up to vote, and he lost the popular vote by over 3mil, but he still won. Only in Merica.

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Hiku said:
Insidb said:

Unarmed blacks are shot by police at the same rate as armed whites: let that sink in.

We're not just talking about unarmed people. Because unarmed people can pose a threat as well. If they try to attack the officer, reach for the gun, or hurt someone else, etc.
We're talking about people who for example (on camera) ran away and were shot in the back. A 12 year old child who was holding a toy gun. People who according to forensics were on their knees with their hands on top of their head, etc.
Those were generally the stories that made major headlines, and when the Black Lives Matter movement began.

You seem to have a lot of faith in the media.  I do not.  I think it's extremely naive to count reporting frequency as proof of anything.  I don't have the slightest doubt that the media picks and chooses events based on ratings potential--we've been told that by former members, in fact.  That is, unless you believe only pretty "good girls" and cute little boys go missing.

A white, unarmed college student was shot multiple times and killed near where I live several years ago.  I find it impossible to believe that this story would not have made the national media if the victim had been black.  



Trump is the best president the US had had in decades. Sorry Regan - but killing Detroit really hurt America as a whole.



Well America has shown to not give a damn about what a new president wants. They rather focus on rumours and dirt. So yeah if Trumps PR is really good, he could get a second therm.



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epicurean said:
John2290 said:

Well that's another point. The left is driving people towards white supremacy  (And black supremacy) at levels not seen in years. Honestly, never had a racist bone in my body until I heard some of the nonsense these far leftest, bamn and radical BLM people come out with , its so racist at times against white people I feel a slight urge to band together with other white people as if we are being attacked. Its tribal nature and this is what the video also points out, they need to back up a see what real before they cause more division than they already have.  

I try and resist thinking like that but its becomes quite difficult after a while. I'm a white, straight, Christian male. The left just continues to hammer over and over those groups. A lot of the attacks are accurate, but at some point you feel backed into a corner and want to lash out. That being said, I guess it does help to at least start to empathize with how some minorities were treated, and grouping people together.

Yeah, there's certainly blame to go around from every side of the spectrum as to why people start to sympathize with certain ideologies.
And not everyone is there because they were mislead, but what I always recommend, no matter what your views are, is to always question things, and always try to fact check from various different sources if it pertains to something that's important/serious.
But many people decide who they trust, and then don't question what they hear from them. Which can be dangerous in cases where that information wasn't accurate, and misinformation starts spreading.  Even in cases where you could have noticed that if you just took 2 minutes to actually read the article. (There are a few examples of this on this forum as well...)

We all have out differences. Many I can understand, even if I don't agree with them. Some I can never. But as long as people at least put some effort into staying properly informed, it's easier to respect that different opinion, and prevent spreading of misinformation.

As for empathizing with others, that's something that's different for everyone and many people can struggle with at times. Especially when you put someone else over yourself, and especially if it's in regards to something that negatively affected yourself or someone you know or care about.
I'm also a white straight male, and while I can also discuss social or cultural injustices that affect people like me, I'm often careful about not doing so while fueling a more sinister agenda. If the subject at hand is "white male was overlooked for job because company decided to hire a female for more diversity", if that's true then that is awful and needs to be highlighted. But if the forum, news site, or youtube channel where I'm discussing this info happens to have other articles/videos named "White people will soon become extinct in our own country", "communism is right around the corner", etc, then you know what?
Maybe I just won't voice my concern on that subject on that particular forum, and instead do it elsewhere, where I don't backhandedly fuel a different more sinister agenda that I'm not comfortable with.
Because white supremacists don't generally don't straight out proclaiming that they are white supremacists, or racists, etc. They focus on saying things like that. "We are the victims", etc.

And this goes back to how the media, government and law enforcement some times are afraid of saying certain things that should be said, because they're afraid that it's going to be used as ammo for extremist groups. And that sucks too. And that can cause people to sympathize with those extremist groups.
It's a vicious circle. And it's hard to find a simple answer to fix things.

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deskpro2k3 said:

The people turn up to vote, and he lost the popular vote by over 3mil, but he still won. Only in Merica.

If you know how the voting works you wouldn't complain about it, because it wasn't made to favor Trump.

Hiku said:
epicurean said:

I try and resist thinking like that but its becomes quite difficult after a while. I'm a white, straight, Christian male. The left just continues to hammer over and over those groups. A lot of the attacks are accurate, but at some point you feel backed into a corner and want to lash out. That being said, I guess it does help to at least start to empathize with how some minorities were treated, and grouping people together.

Yeah, there's certainly blame to go around from every side of the spectrum as to why people start to sympathize with certain ideologies.
And not everyone is there because they were mislead, but what I always recommend, no matter what your views are, is to always question things, and always try to fact check from various different sources if it pertains to something that's important/serious.
But many people decide who they trust, and then don't question what they hear from them. Which can be dangerous in cases where that information wasn't accurate, and misinformation starts spreading.  Even in cases where you could have noticed that if you just took 2 minutes to actually read the article. (There are a few examples of this on this forum as well...)

We all have out differences. Many I can understand, even if I don't agree with them. Some I can never. But as long as people at least put some effort into staying properly informed, it's easier to respect that different opinion, and prevent spreading of misinformation.

As for empathizing with others, that's something that's different for everyone and many people can struggle with at times. Especially when you put someone else over yourself, and especially if it's in regards to something that negatively affected yourself or someone you know or care about.
I'm also a white straight male, and while I can also discuss social or cultural injustices that affect people like me, I'm often careful about not doing so while fueling a more sinister agenda. If the subject at hand is "white male was overlooked for job because company decided to hire a female for more diversity", if that's true then that is awful and needs to be highlighted. But if the forum, news site, or youtube channel where I'm discussing this info happens to have other articles/videos named "White people will soon become extinct in our own country", "communism is right around the corner", etc, then you know what?
Maybe I just won't voice my concern on that subject on that particular forum, and instead do it elsewhere, where I don't backhandedly fuel a different more sinister agenda that I'm not comfortable with.
Because white supremacists don't generally don't straight out proclaiming that they are white supremacists, or racists, etc. They focus on saying things like that. "We are the victims", etc.

And this goes back to how the media, government and law enforcement some times are afraid of saying certain things that should be said, because they're afraid that it's going to be used as ammo for extremist groups. And that sucks too. And that can cause people to sympathize with those extremist groups.
It's a vicious circle. And it's hard to find a simple answer to fix things.

Like a certain general when being named secretary had to not tell the truth to a democrat senator because he knew the lady didn't want the truth just wanted a reason to be offended... when she asked if he thought mixing women and men, gay and straight on the forefront of the army would be detrimental to the readiness of the army.

You could just read and interpret he was signalling there is statistic and studies showing that, but he was obligated to answer he wouldn't enforce any restriction unless he verified a case of lower grade of service due to a situation, because if he said a clear YES she would roll over.



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