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John2290 said:

As an outsider looking in on your American politics, this video, which is masterfully and powerfully put together mirrors my thoughts near 1 to 1. 

You Can't Believe Trump Won? - YouTube

You need to believe and if you don't want him in office in 2020 and beyond, change your attitude.

Trunmp 2020! Trump life! Trump you the man. 

The moment the video called Obamacare "socialized medicine", you could count on it to be a right-wing indoctrinated video that cares little about correct information and more about what is spoonfed to the right from their dear leaders.



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Insidb said:
Hiku said:

We're not just talking about unarmed people. Because unarmed people can pose a threat as well. If they try to attack the officer, reach for the gun, or hurt someone else, etc.
We're talking about people who for example (on camera) ran away and were shot in the back. A 12 year old child who was holding a toy gun. People who according to forensics were on their knees with their hands on top of their head, etc.
Those were generally the stories that made major headlines, and when the Black Lives Matter movement began.

When the disparity between the unarmed and armed is so clearly grotesque and obviously delineated by race, everything else is just contextualizing a very serious policing problem.

Police in the USA are trained differently than police in many other countries. In the UK for example, police are trained to de-escalate situations first and foremost. That's why they generally patrol with sticks, not guns. Some times they call in an officer for assistance with a tazer. And in even rarer instances, someone with a gun.
In the US, we've seen that even in their training manuals, example suspects are some times labeled as minorities. Right off the bat. In the examples in the training manual. Police in USA are generally a lot more on edge, and the cliche of "shoot first and ask questions later" becomes all too common. Mix in the bad apples in law enforcement who are racists or have an abnormal fear of certain groups, and you can have situations like where the police executed a 12 year old boy at a playground who was holding a toy gun.
Even if they believed it was a real gun, their priority is to protect the citizens who entrusted them with this power. Not fire bullets as a first resort before they could confirm that it was a real weapon, or shots were fired against them. It is a dangerous job, but that's what they sign up for, and people who aren't willing to risk their lives to a reasonable extent should not become police officers.

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I didn't watch the video. I didn't vote for Trump, either. But the playbook the left used the previous 8 years was to call everyone who didn't think EXACTLY like them a bigot, a racist, or a sexist (among other things). Then they ran against a guy who backed those so called people. It doesn't take a rocket scientist.

The far/alt-right is terrible, yes, but the majority of the left is becoming quite terrible as well.



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epicurean said:

The far/alt-right is terrible, yes, but the majority of the left is becoming quite terrible as well.

The left was calling the right racist for being racist.  And that's just as terrible as the right actually being racist?



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SpokenTruth said:
epicurean said:

The far/alt-right is terrible, yes, but the majority of the left is becoming quite terrible as well.

The left was calling the right racist for being racist.  And that's just as terrible as the right actually being racist?

If they think all the right is racist, then yes. They're generalizing against people, which is the very thing they say they are fighting against.



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epicurean said:
SpokenTruth said:

The left was calling the right racist for being racist.  And that's just as terrible as the right actually being racist?

If they think all the right is racist, then yes. They're generalizing against people, which is the very thing they say they are fighting against.

But they don't call all of the right racists.  Just the ones being racist.

 

When Trump says or does something racist, that is bad.  So why is supposedly just as bad to call him out on it?



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SpokenTruth said:
epicurean said:

If they think all the right is racist, then yes. They're generalizing against people, which is the very thing they say they are fighting against.

But they don't call all of the right racists.  Just the ones being racist.

 

When Trump says or does something racist, that is bad.  So why is supposedly just as bad to call him out on it?

It's not, if they are being accurate. The only thing I've heard him say that could be actually racist though was before he was elected about Mexicans.

The left has been stretching things for awhile, as well as generalizing. If you're against gay-marriage, or even overly religious, you are automatically a bigot. If you think merit should rank above diversity, you're racist. And accusations are automatically truth for all sexual assaults. 

I'm guessing you're left though, so you will disagree with everything I say. I doubt we'll come to any agreements about how divisive the left seems to have become.



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epicurean said:
SpokenTruth said:

But they don't call all of the right racists.  Just the ones being racist.

 

When Trump says or does something racist, that is bad.  So why is supposedly just as bad to call him out on it?

It's not, if they are being accurate. The only thing I've heard him say that could be actually racist though was before he was elected about Mexicans.

The left has been stretching things for awhile, as well as generalizing. If you're against gay-marriage, or even overly religious, you are automatically a bigot. If you think merit should rank above diversity, you're racist. And accusations are automatically truth for all sexual assaults. 

I'm guessing you're left though, so you will disagree with everything I say. I doubt we'll come to any agreements about how divisive the left seems to have become.

Here is where the problem lies.  When the one person A debases or degrades person B and person B call out person A, person A doesn't get to say his words/actions were not degrading. 

More succinct...person A punches person B.  Person A doesn't get to tell person B how much it hurt.

The issue is that person A (Trump, et al...) is trying to tell person B how much it hurts and then they claim they are being attacked themselves when person B calls them out for punching them.  "They claim I punched them.  See how they are attacking me?"  Trump and many like him are playing the victim for being called out for their actions.  They play the victim and persecutor roles of the Karpman drama triangle of social human interaction.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
epicurean said:

It's not, if they are being accurate. The only thing I've heard him say that could be actually racist though was before he was elected about Mexicans.

The left has been stretching things for awhile, as well as generalizing. If you're against gay-marriage, or even overly religious, you are automatically a bigot. If you think merit should rank above diversity, you're racist. And accusations are automatically truth for all sexual assaults. 

I'm guessing you're left though, so you will disagree with everything I say. I doubt we'll come to any agreements about how divisive the left seems to have become.

Here is where the problem lies.  When the one person A debases or degrades person B and person B call out person A, person A doesn't get to say his words/actions were not degrading. 

More succinct...person A punches person B.  Person A doesn't get to tell person B how much it hurt.

The issue is that person A (Trump, et al...) is trying to tell person B how much it hurts and then they claim they are being attacked themselves when person B calls them out for punching them.  "They claim I punched them.  See how they are attacking me?"  Trump and many like him are playing the victim for being called out for their actions.  They play the victim and persecutor roles of the Karpman drama triangle of social human interaction.

You lost me. I mean, I think I get what you are trying to say, but I don't think it applies specifically. I'd rather not argue generalities as I think that's where divides happen.



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I love how some people consider everything to be racism, sexism, etc... and have some hate for police and think police officer shouldn't take his life much in consideration....

Keep rallying against Trump and burning yourselves over.

And of course antagonizing people is the best way to win them over, and over-calling everything devaluates the real meaning of that and people stop caring.



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