It's called PocketPC.

dgm6780 said: alex you had said so much retarded stuff its truly amazing. The PSP is a failure? It already outsold the xbox and its going to be a while before even the 360 catches it. As of march '07 it was the 10th best selling piece of gaming hardware in history and by the end of the year should be in 8th. How's that a failure?? VGcharts has the PSP selling 298k WW in May. How in the hell do you call 298K in a SLOW video game month a failure?? "Actuall the DS is probably doing better than the PSP among older gamers." take a look at the DS 1 million seller list and give me some games that are targeted at adults?? the psp list has : 2 GTA's SOCOM Ridge Racer 2 need for speeds midnight club Notice the 4 adult targeted racers vs the DS racer list of umm Mario Kart. And where are the SHOOTERS for the DS?? I would call the PSP the FIRST adult targeted portable to be a success.

Honestly... the games you listed do not appeal to me in the same way the DS games dont appeal to you. All the GTA games were garbage aimed at young boys in high school (since you are making the adult vs kids argument). I do not know anyone over the age of 21 who even owns a GTA game and we all seem to agree that after seeing it play for about 20 minutes, its is a kids game. They are non-the-less very popular games. I am not too thrilled about DS games either, but when I go through the game lists the DS definitly has more good games in my opinion <- and ya this is just an opinion like yours. Honestly, I really wanted a PSP but it looks a bit anemic in the game library section. I decided I would wait on handhelds altogether and see if I cant get some kind of mini-PC which will be able to play all the portable games anyway (since I wasnt impressed with either).

Oh, I think that the PSP is succesfull. It just isnt as succesfull as the DS but it is definitly a profitable console.

dgm6780 said: that brain training stuff shouldnt even count as a game and seriously thats all you got for adult DS games? brain training?? and Catprog GTA Liberty City 3.85 million GTA Vice City 1.36 million you might need to hone up on your brain training for adults because 1 +1 = 2 !!

*sigh* more kids pretending that playing GTA makes them an adult gamer. Whatever, believe what you wish, but adults don't care about GTA. GTA is a game targeting the 13-18 audience specifically. It's targeting hormonal, aggressive, sex crazed teenagers.

Also, for the record: Since the 12 and under market is in fact the smallest market in gaming, the DS's sales would be IMPOSSIBLE if it was selling only to kids. The PSP's sales match the teenage demographic prety well though. It might carry over a bit into the college demographic (IMO the college demographic is split pretty evenly between different styles of games).

The PSP is great. I've been a DS owner for a long time but picked up a PSP with the price cut. To me, the PSP is a better machine. I put off buying one for so long because people say it lacks games and I believed them, but, once I got one and started looking around, there are a lot more games than people make it sound. I've bought a bunch and even rented some from Blockbuster, which doesn't carry DS stuff.

"Loco Roco" is not usually the sort of game I like, but I can't help going back to it now and again. It's certainly addictive.

You're not going to be able to carry "Tekken" or "Mortal Kombat" around with you without a PSP.

"Killzone: Liberation" is not a bad top-down shooter.

"Dungeon Siege" is a good game. Yeah, I was surprised a title usually associated with Microsoft was on a Sony product. That's not the only one. "Stacked (with Daniel Negreanu)" is also by Microsoft.

That leads me to a very important (to me) category of games: Poker. The PSP has a great selection: "World Series of Poker"; "World Series of Poker - Tournament of Champions"; "World Poker Tour" (though it has some terrible load times); the aforementioned "Stacked", among others.

"Megaman Powered Up" is a remake that is better than the original, though, if you prefer the original, it's on there too. Similarly, Capcom released an updated "Ultimate Ghosts and Goblins".

"Darkstalkers Chronicle" is great. It is a combo of the original Darkstalkers, Darkstalkers: Night Warriors and Darkstalkers 3, along with a new single player "Tower" mode. Some reviewers on Amazon say there is a problem with the controls, but I had no problem at all. They were as responsive as this next game...

"Street Fighter Alpha 3 Max". It's Street Fighter Alpha 3 with all the Street Fighter characters, including the New Challengers (Cammy, Fei Long, THawk).

Puzzle games: "Exit"; "Lumines"; "Lumines II"; "Puzzle Quest"; "Capcom Puzzle Collection" (which includes "Super Puzzle Fighter II").

Other compendiums like "Sega Dreamcast Collection" (which includes games like "Comix Zone", "Shinobi III", "Golden Axe", "Golden Axe II", "Golden Axe III", "Phantasy Star II", "Phantasy Star III", "Phantasy Star IV") and "Namco Museum Battle Collection" (which includes remakes of classics like "Pacman", "Dig Dug" and "Galaga").

I can recommend "Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror". The "SOCOM" games are good too. There's also "Metal Gear" (regular as in "Portable Ops", card-based as in the "Acids" and a "Digital Graphic Novel" version). There's "Medal of Honor". There are two "Grand Theft Auto" games.  There's "Chili Con Carnage", "Ratchet & Clank", "Daxter".  If you like to hunt monsters, there's "Monster Hunter Freedom".  If you prefer to raise them, there's "Monster Kingdom Jewel Summoner".  There's "Tales of Eternia", "Sid Meier's Pirates", "Lego Star Wars II", and "Futuristic Harvest Moon" for the kid in you.

There are the obligatory NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL, golf, tennis and boxing titles. There's also the "Burnout" series and "Twisted Metal".

These are just some of the better games available now for the system.  There are 100's PSP titles out there.  I don't know the exact number, but Amazon shows 474 results when I click on "Show All Games" for PSP, though I'm sure some of  results are PSP accessories and not games.  Anyway, what sorts of games do you like? Maybe I can make a recommendation or two.

I originally bought my DS for the "Brain Age" game, based on all the hype about that. I played that for a few days and got tired of it, ending up using it primarily for "Sudoku". There aren't a lot of games that interest me on the DS. I like the two "Castlevania"s, which is why "Dracula X Chronicles" and "Symphony of the Night" on the PSP are going to rock. I have played "Mario" for like two decades now. I am so sick of that franchise. I beat "Trauma Center" and played some "Final Fantasy III".  There are some games that overlap with PSP offerings, in which case I prefer the PSP's because of the 
larger screen and better graphics.  Generally, I hate the stylus...or rather the forced implementations of the touchscreen on most of the games.  Believe it or not, the next cartridge I was looking forward to on the DS was the web browser, but now that I have a PSP, I don't need that anymore as the PSP can wirelessly surf the web right out of the box, though the stylus would have been nice for that.  I suppose "Ninja Gaiden" is the next DS game I'm looking forward to then.  I'll probably also try out the "Zelda" game people keep talking about.

 

you attacked GTA has teenage but I have yet to see one adult themed DS game brought up. did hear about one adult themed DS game on the boards recently tho. called doki doki something, some game about molesting little boys/girls ?!

hmm so what do those 18-27 year old males like anyways...



sports
DS = Mario Hoops 3 v 3
PSP = NBA Street : Showdown

racing
ds=mario kart
psp = gran turismo

shooter
ds= ???
psp = SOCOM, Medal of Honor : Heros, Syphon Filter

fighting
ds=Naruto Ninja Council 3
psp = Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat Deception: Unchained, Steet Fighter Alpha 3

anyone arguing that DS is winning the adult demographic is nutty. they sell to the youngsters , but sell quite well. Not saying which is "better" just saying if you are above the age 17 the PSP is better ;)

JSF , you hit the nail right on the head. People thats the coming storm. This is the year of the PSP!! People are gonna pull thier heads out of thier asses and realize that the bunk they been hearing about the PSP not having games, is just that, BUNK.

Donate the DS to the little sister and get yourself a PSP!!

dgm6780 said: you attacked GTA has teenage but I have yet to see one adult themed DS game brought up. did hear about one adult themed DS game on the boards recently tho. called doki doki something, some game about molesting little boys/girls ?! hmm so what do those 18-27 year old males like anyways... sports DS = Mario Hoops 3 v 3 PSP = NBA Street : Showdown racing ds=mario kart psp = gran turismo shooter ds= ??? psp = SOCOM, Medal of Honor : Heros, Syphon Filter fighting ds=Naruto Ninja Council 3 psp = Tekken 5, Mortal Kombat Deception: Unchained, Steet Fighter Alpha 3 anyone arguing that DS is winning the adult demographic is nutty. they sell to the youngsters , but sell quite well. Not saying which is "better" just saying if you are above the age 17 the PSP is better ;)

Well here is the thing. For a portable, certain genre simply will not work well no matter what you try to do. For example, I would never play a FPS on a portable. The screen is too small and I just wouldnt enjoy it since FPS generally require precision which a portable just cant offer. For racing games, Mario Kart, as childish as look it is a lot more fun to play than Gran Turismo overall. Fighting games in general suck unless you play against someone so those are not really a big deal. What I really want are RPG's and strategy games.

So I went to gamespot and looked at the list for the PSP.

Here is what I might get if I had a PSP:

Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth
Ys: The Ark of Napishtim
Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions <- not out yet
Dungeons & Dragons Tactics <- not out yet
Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops
Mega Man Powered Up <- ...maybe... it looks horrible but i would give it a shot
Armored Core: Formula Front
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game

As you can see, for someone who enjoys strategy & RPG there just isnt anything there and those that are listed are basically despiration if I had a PSP save for FF, D&D, & Armored Core.

Here is what I might get if I had a DS:

Final Fantasy III
Lunar: Dragon Song
Maybe a Pokemon game just to see what the hell its all about
Age of Empires: The Age of Kings
Advance Wars: Dual Strike
Final Fantasy Tactics A2: Fuuketsu no Grimoire <- not out yet
Ys Strategy <- maybe... not out yet
SimCity DS <- not out yet
Front Mission 1st <- not out yet
Disciples II DS <- maybe... not out yet
The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass <- not out yet
Maybe a Star Wars adventure game
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Mega Man ZX

As you can see, for a person like me (older gamers) the DS list is much larger and we havent even spoken of GBA games some available for pennies with some great games in there. Just from the GB Advanced, I would want some of the older titles like:

Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Tactics Ogre: The Knight of Lodis
Final Fantasy Tactics
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones
Phantasy Star Collection
Final Fantasy V Advance
Metroid: Zero Mission
Shining Force: Resurrection of the Dark Dragon

etc etc This is probably why the DS is so strong. It has a lot of games across genres that appeal to wider range of gamers. FPS are not really that big outside of the US & Europe and even then, I dont think people would want to play them on a tiny little hand held.

The DS provides a great handheld experience, unfortunately it's just not for me.  The PSP is my machine and like others have said.  This is "The Year of the PSP" IMHO.  This is the year that gamers will sit up and take notice of PSP with it's list of games over the next 12 months.  You may very well find a large section of non PSP gamers deciding, the time in now to pick a cheap PSP and get some of the great releases coming out this year only for the PSP.

By the way, I'm not dissing the DS, they've done very well with the DS, but it's about time the PSP got some recognition for its great diverse range of games and very promising title for the year as well.

Anyway back on topic.  Microsoft I think, will release a handheld, but they will be stupid to do it.  They are not doing well enough in the home console market to warrant them a dabble in the handheld market.  Sony who have done very well in the home console market are trying and are doing well, but they simply cannot compete with Nintendo in the market...they've been there for years and know exactly what they are doing.

davygee said: The DS provides a great handheld experience, unfortunately it's just not for me. The PSP is my machine and like others have said. This is "The Year of the PSP" IMHO. This is the year that gamers will sit up and take notice of PSP with it's list of games over the next 12 months. You may very well find a large section of non PSP gamers deciding, the time in now to pick a cheap PSP and get some of the great releases coming out this year only for the PSP. By the way, I'm not dissing the DS, they've done very well with the DS, but it's about time the PSP got some recognition for its great diverse range of games and very promising title for the year as well. Anyway back on topic. Microsoft I think, will release a handheld, but they will be stupid to do it. They are not doing well enough in the home console market to warrant them a dabble in the handheld market. Sony who have done very well in the home console market are trying and are doing well, but they simply cannot compete with Nintendo in the market...they've been there for years and know exactly what they are doing.

I am not too sure about that honestly. MS already has the software for the most part, so it wont cost them nearly as much as Nintendo or Sony who had to start from scratch relatively speaking. Also, by using windows in a portable they open the machine to a slew of software that can possibly work on the system. If I were them, I would include libraries for easy 360/portable/PC portability so that devs can make games that can work on all 3 thus lowering their risks & development costs dramatically. So as a 3rd party, I can make a 360 game, which I could already port relatively easily to PC, which I can also port to handheld easily (if they design it that way). You could potential sell to 3 markets with just 1 game. This is an advantage that no one else has and will help aleviate some 3rd party concerns. Of course its not that simple but they do have a big advantage over other companies who started from scratch.

marc said: I am not too sure about that honestly. MS already has the software for the most part, so it wont cost them nearly as much as Nintendo or Sony who had to start from scratch relatively speaking. Also, by using windows in a portable they open the machine to a slew of software that can possibly work on the system. If I were them, I would include libraries for easy 360/portable/PC portability so that devs can make games that can work on all 3 thus lowering their risks & development costs dramatically. So as a 3rd party, I can make a 360 game, which I could already port relatively easily to PC, which I can also port to handheld easily (if they design it that way). You could potential sell to 3 markets with just 1 game. This is an advantage that no one else has and will help aleviate some 3rd party concerns. Of course its not that simple but they do have a big advantage over other companies who started from scratch.

The thing is, there is no point in MS having a handheld that predominately gets ports from PC and 360 versions of games.  This is where the PSP went wrong initially.  You cannot compete with a home console at the same game.  Also, cost is a big issue.  The unit probably needs to come in around £150 or under $200 when it's released.  It doesn't matter what it does, just look at the PSP, it's so versatile are doing loads of functions, but the cost was a big problem and having to compete with a dedicated games handheld with the DS, this is where it lost out on sales over the last year.

The Xbox handheld would need to have a slew of dedicated titles; can MS dedicate the time and costs to do this in a unknown market.

Also, they will probably try and release it nearer the end of the PSP's and DS's lifespan, which IMHO would be around 2009/2010 to get in there before the DS Advance and the PSP2 is released, but I reckon the cost would be huge.  Whereas the next PSP or PSP2 would only need to be slightly more powerful and incorporate another analogue as well as a larger integrated  memory allocation as well as a much better battery life and quicker UMD drive.  The DS Advance will probably be, better graphically, but will look similar to the DS at the moment.  And both will be backward compatible.  Whereas the Xbox Handheld would have to start from scratch.  It will undoubtably come last in the next generation of handheld wars and probably by far.