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Forums - Politics Discussion - Delta and United join list of companies to cut ties with the NRA - maybe this truly is the end of gun rights in the US?

PwerlvlAmy said:
Only people opposing NRA are against the 2A imo. Its obviously what the lefts end game is. Not a wise choice on their part.

Complete bullshit.  That's a false dichotomy.  Unfortunately, a lot of other people also believe that.

I'm a gun owner who very much dislikes the NRA.  It's not all or nothing.



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newwil7l said:
irstupid said:

Anyone who thinks making guns illegal in the US would be a good thing is clueless to the much of the country.

It would not go well. If you are from any of the say flyover states, you know what I'm talking about. Gun owners are not handing over their guns.

But well see how these dropping of NRA stuff works. The same people I see on facebook non stop posting links showing NFL ratings down and such are the same people are all gun owners. I hope Delta and others are prepared for some loss of revenue.

Also the NRA is just a organization. I don't think out of any of my friends that own guns that any of them have ever mentioned the NRA. I doubt they care about them at all. They only care about their gun rights. There doesn't have to be an NRA for them to keep their 2nd amendment rights.

 

edit: also how many people int he military do you know, or retired military people? I can't think of a single one I know that didn't grow up with guns, or has them now in their house. Also the vast majority of those I know are form rural areas, not the big cities. You know the areas that are hugely against these laws. So I wouldn't count on the military members being supporters of gun laws. if they were forced to confiscate guns from Americans, they would be confiscating them from their family/friends.

Keep in mind that the NFL didn't see a ratings drop because of ridiculous things like the right protesting them and making a difference. The ratings are dropping thanks to the riseof streaming, awful officiating, and because it seems like the Patriots will never go away. 

 

The extreme right wing nutcases are just trying to take credit. Delta and US Airlines will be fine.

Don't forget racial inequality for Colin Kapernick (supposedly) there was a lot of factors this year. And if people have a problem with the Pats they can continue to cry. 



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It would be even better if billionaires started campaigning and lobbying.

Where is everyone's hero and the Jesus like figure called Elon Musk?



Turkish said:

It would be even better if billionaires started campaigning and lobbying.

Where is everyone's hero and the Jesus like figure called Elon Musk?

Ever heard of Michael Bloomberg? But yeah I don't see why it would be better for rich capitalists to lobby to disarm the common person. 



sc94597 said:
o_O.Q said:

...but why should anyone aspire to be a socialist? given all the harm they've caused throughout human history?

Read his username and look at his profile picture.

but come on, he isn't any different to the average young person calling themselves a socialist without understanding the ideology

at this point i'd almost argue that lacking an understanding of it is rapidly becoming an attribute of most socialists

its like making everyone equal sounds good so we'll just advocate for it without understanding the consequences



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pokoko said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
Only people opposing NRA are against the 2A imo. Its obviously what the lefts end game is. Not a wise choice on their part.

Complete bullshit.  That's a false dichotomy.  Unfortunately, a lot of other people also believe that.

I'm a gun owner who very much dislikes the NRA.  It's not all or nothing.

"I'm a gun owner"

wow, what are you packing?



sc94597 said:
SuaveSocialist said:
Good. American society is clearly not ready for so-called gun "rights". Best to reduce them to gun privileges like just about the rest of the developed world.

Anybody who thinks that the liberal-democratic state should disarm the common man is not a socialist in my eyes.

Anyone who reads that "reducing gun rights to gun privileges" as "disarming the common man" is not literate in my eyes.

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SuaveSocialist said:
sc94597 said:

Anybody who thinks that the liberal-democratic state should disarm the common man is not a socialist in my eyes.

Anyone who reads that "reducing gun rights to gun privileges" = "disarming the common man" is not literate in my eyes.

Privilege at whose authority? The bourgeoisie and the nation-state they control? I am not lacking literacy here, I just am thinking through the implications of handing authority over this matter to the capitalist state. Apparently you are not. 

 

When gun-ownership is not socially protected the people lack the means to affirm their will outside of the rigged political process. You might feel comfortable with your country's well-off controlling your access to guns, I am not.

 

I am assuming you are a reformist though, which has so many  practical problems one might as well call oneself  social democrat or left-liberal.



spurgeonryan said:

Two major airlines. A cybersecurity firm. Six car rental brands. A home security company. An Omaha bank. Companies have scrambled to cut ties with the National Rifle Association over the past couple of days, and the list continued to grow into the weekend.

Delta Air Lines (DAL) announced Saturday morning that it's ending discounted rates for NRA members. "We will be requesting that the NRA remove our information from their website," the company said in a tweet.

United Airlines (UAL) followed a short time later, saying the company will no longer offer discounts on flights to the NRA annual meeting.

And TrueCar (TRUE), a car buying service, said late Friday that it would end its deal with the NRA as of February 28.

The companies were the latest to abandon partnerships with the NRA amid a renewed public debate over tightened gun laws following a school shooting in Florida last week that left 17 dead.

First National Bank of Omaha on Thursday pledged to stop issuing an NRA-branded Visa card. A bank spokesperson said "customer feedback" prompted a review of its partnership with the NRA, and it chose not to renew its current contract.

There was also a wave of car rental outfits. Enterprise Holdings, which runs the Enterprise, Alamo and National car rental groups, announced that it will end the discount deal it has with the NRA on March 26.

On Friday, car rental company Hertz (HTZ) said in a tweet that it's also ending its NRA rental car discount program.

Read rest at Source: http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/23/news/companies/enterprise-nra-car-rental-discounts/index.html

 

I think the government wants us to lose our gun rights. That way as soon as they can they will have total control of us. Only reason we have any freedom in America is due to guns. There are ways to handle this, sometimes when I see how easy it is to get a gun I laugh. Just fix the laws.

You already have massive limitations in terms of gun rights, just not as many as other countries.



Right, because the NRA is to blame for the mass shooting in FL last week, not:

-The deranged psychopath himself, who has a long, LONG history of violent outbursts and behavioral issues that were so bad he was not only kicked out of multiple schools but also outright banned from the campus of the school he eventually shot up and was NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY A BACKPACK ON CAMPUS!!!

-The incompetence of local law enforcement, who had been called to the shooter's house dozens of times over the last several years for violence / behavioral issues, yet nothing substantial was ever done about it, and who had an armed deputy posted inside the school AS THE SHOOTING WAS HAPPENING and instead left the building to take cover outside and did nothing to stop the shooter or save the lives of students being shot like fish in a barrel inside.  But hey... the local Sheriff who was busy grandstanding at CNN's townhall circus show this past week and who blames the NRA (who else?!?) for the shooting still thinks his men did an "amazing job!" in their followups with Cruz and response to the shooting: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng5o6TkTlFY

-The even bigger incompetence of the FBI, who had received multiple tips and warnings about the threat that Nicholas Cruz posed to both himself (he was suicidal in the past) and others with his numerous posts on social media claiming he wants to be a school shooter someday, yet they never followed up on any of these leads.  And because of the incompetence above with following up on any red flags on Cruz, background checks on him were now useless because he was never flagged in the system to begin with.

I'm not a fan of the NRA, but I support their right as an organization to lobby and fight for gun owners' rights, even though I think they are at the very least tone deaf in the aftermath of mass tragedies like the one last week.  But just out of curiosity... how many people do you know out there that are currently banned from entering school grounds with a backpack for fear they might do something like oh, I don't know... bring a gun to campus and shoot up the school???

Instead of demonizing gun owners / 2A supporters and using the NRA as your personal scapegoat the way the Sheriff and so many others on the Democrat / liberal side of the aisle have done over the past week and a half, how about focusing on the colossal failures of government officials from the top down to protect our kids and enforce laws that are already on the books?  Instead of making a bunch of new "feel-good" laws like an "assault weapons ban"-  which BTW we had in the 90s and yet mass shootings like Columbine (13 killed without the need for an AR-15) and the DC sniper incidents (carried out with an AR-15 variant designed to be "legal" under the assault weapons ban) were still able to take place, let's take steps to implement meaningful solutions that not only focus on keeping guns out of the hands of people like Cruz, but also focus on removing people like Cruz from the general public where they can no longer be a threat to others.

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