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quickrick on 11 February 2018
RolStoppable said:
quickrick said:

all they said is they had a great holidays, that has nothing to do with reporting up to date recent numbers. really there 0 reason not to report recent sold through numbers. the charts are right there telling people they are using data till jan 21, but lets just ignore them. really all evidence points to the 13 million number as being very recent.

In a recent hardware sales thread I pointed you towards an instance where Nintendo stated "over 3m" in a press release and the actual figure was 3.81m. You conceded that that makes it uncertain how much Switch is over 13m. For argument's sake, if Switch were at 13.8m through January 21st and you added the missing regions of Latin America and Asia, it wouldn't be hard to believe that Switch is above 14m, so VGC estimates wouldn't be far off.

It's always the same catch with your argument that Switch is way overtracked: You lack conclusive proof that necessitates that the numbers get changed.

Besides, you are only fighting over a few hundred thousand units. That's really not much in the big picture.

The charts go up to 21, by they get sell through numbers by the 28, if switch was clearly over 14 million WW they would have used that number for sure, and according to vgchartz they are well over, i would say its over over tracked by 500k. 

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quickrick on 11 February 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
quickrick said:

they can report numbers outside that period, they have before with mario in Q2 and 7 million switches in consumers hand which was after september 30 period.

Yes, that's possible, but they did report those 13M numbers for the end of the quarter.

But why are we even argueing with you? No matter what proof we send your way you dismiss or more correctly ignore them, as by the time passed between my post and yours strongly implies you didn't even read the proof I sent you and the answer isn't even acknowledging anything of the text ( where they literally say they sold over 13M by end of the year ffs!)

i just read what you said, but it would be in nintedo own interest to use the most recent sale through numbers unless stated other wise, there is nothing there that states they sold through 13 million by the end of the year.



Bofferbrauer2 on 11 February 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

IN ORDER TO BELIEVE THAT THE 13 MILLION NUMBER COMES FROM JANUARY 21st, you would literally have to think that only 500k switch's were sold in other regions besides US,JP, and Europe in almost a whole year...

Even here on VGC US+EU+JP is less then 13M. The difference is coming from the ROW where about a million consoles got sold. And, like I showed earlier, Even Nintendo hasn't the ROW in their 13M sell-through numbers as they have no idea what the sell-through in those regions really is.



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

quickrick on 11 February 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

IN ORDER TO BELIEVE THAT THE 13 MILLION NUMBER COMES FROM JANUARY 21st, you would literally have to think that only 500k switch's were sold in other regions besides US,JP, and Europe in almost a whole year...

Even here on VGC US+EU+JP is less then 13M. The difference is coming from the ROW where about a million consoles got sold. And, like I showed earlier, Even Nintendo hasn't the ROW in their 13M sell-through numbers as they have no idea what the sell-through in those regions really is.

they should be able to give estimates, they did in the 10 million announcement.



AngryLittleAlchemist on 11 February 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

IN ORDER TO BELIEVE THAT THE 13 MILLION NUMBER COMES FROM JANUARY 21st, you would literally have to think that only 500k switch's were sold in other regions besides US,JP, and Europe in almost a whole year...

Even here on VGC US+EU+JP is less then 13M. The difference is coming from the ROW where about a million consoles got sold. And, like I showed earlier, Even Nintendo hasn't the ROW in their 13M sell-through numbers as they have no idea what the sell-through in those regions really is.

Yep...that's what I was getting at in my comment...

It really just doesn't make any sense. I'll admit Nintendo could have made it a little bit more clear but the idea Quickrick is giving makes no logical sense. The charts clearly show that by week 47 the console sold at least 12.5 million in all three of those regions. if the number 13 million came from January 21st then Switch would have to be one of the worst selling consoles in recent memory in other regions(probably exaggeration but still). If anything, when you include ROW statistics, it is probably at 14.5 million by January 21st ..



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zorg1000 on 11 February 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said: 

IN ORDER TO BELIEVE THAT THE 13 MILLION NUMBER COMES FROM JANUARY 21st, you would literally have to think that only 500k switch's were sold in other regions besides NA,JP, and Europe in almost a whole year...

Yep, sales outside of NA/EU/JP have to be much higher than 500k.

 

Switch launched in S. Korea on Dec 1 and sold 110k in just 1 month.

If one small country can sell that much in just a month than i have a really hard time believing South America, Australia, Asia & Africa are combined at 500k.

 

Australia, S. America & Asia should each be a few 100k while Africa is pretty miniscule. Overall 1+ million isnt out of the question.



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quickrick on 11 February 2018
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Even here on VGC US+EU+JP is less then 13M. The difference is coming from the ROW where about a million consoles got sold. And, like I showed earlier, Even Nintendo hasn't the ROW in their 13M sell-through numbers as they have no idea what the sell-through in those regions really is.

Yep...that's what I was getting at in my comment...

It really just doesn't make any sense. I'll admit Nintendo could have made it a little bit more clear but the idea Quickrick is giving makes no logical sense. The charts clearly show that by week 47 the console sold at least 12.5 million in all three of those regions. if the number 13 million came from January 21st then Switch would have to be one of the worst selling consoles in recent memory in other regions(probably exaggeration but still). If anything, when you include ROW statistics, it is probably at 14.5 million by January 21st ..

i think nintendo would have used the 14 million number if they were 100% sure they surpassed 14 million WW, i think the reason is they were not sure, and they are at 13.8-14 million WW  by the 28.



Bofferbrauer2 on 11 February 2018
quickrick said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Even here on VGC US+EU+JP is less then 13M. The difference is coming from the ROW where about a million consoles got sold. And, like I showed earlier, Even Nintendo hasn't the ROW in their 13M sell-through numbers as they have no idea what the sell-through in those regions really is.

they should be able to give estimates, they did in the 10 million announcement.

Very sure those regions where also left out when they did that announcement. If the 13M in the quarterly report is without those regions despite having a whole month to compute the numbers, then for sure the 10M announcement, which came just a couple of days after it happened, is missing them as well.



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

AngryLittleAlchemist on 11 February 2018
quickrick said:

So do you admit you were wrong and that the sell through numbers of 13 million by December 31st are, in fact, from December 31st? And not January 21st?



quickrick on 11 February 2018
Bofferbrauer2 said:
quickrick said:

they should be able to give estimates, they did in the 10 million announcement.

Very sure those regions where also left out when they did that announcement. If the 13M in the quarterly report is without those regions despite having a whole month to compute the numbers, then for sure the 10M announcement, which came just a couple of days after it happened, is missing them as well.

they never stated that in there press release, nothing was excluded.