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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Nintendo looking to support the Switch for more than the traditional 5-6 year period

Pyro as Bill said:
DélioPT said:
Well, if there isn't a Switch Pro coming, i highly doubt Switch can continue to be competitive. And even then, it better be indeed a PRO. Sooner or later, MS and Sony will be releasing new consoles and the gap between Switch and those consoles might be so big that porting to Switch is no longer financially viable. Unless it's ports and more ports, for years to come.

It's already spanking the XBX and PS4 Pro with WiiU ports, what makes you think Nintendo's success depends on horsepower?

If 4K can't beat portability, what makes you think 8K will?

Comparing Switch with variants isn't a fair comparison.

I'm comparing Switch to PS5 and XB4.
By the time that happens, portability won't hold as much strength as it holds today. Specially against way, way better consoles.
And as i said, if both consoles are another leap, then it will be really hard for Nintendo to convince 3rd parties to port their games to Switch.



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Yeah that seems likely me a good idea. Short life cycles hurt profits.



Its easy to look at it for 5-6 years when its selling like gangbusters. I want to see how the network and third party support ends up in a few years.

on a side note for the future......nintendo, fix the friend code thing, for god sake it is 2018

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DélioPT said:
Pyro as Bill said:

It's already spanking the XBX and PS4 Pro with WiiU ports, what makes you think Nintendo's success depends on horsepower?

If 4K can't beat portability, what makes you think 8K will?

Comparing Switch with variants isn't a fair comparison.

I'm comparing Switch to PS5 and XB4.
By the time that happens, portability won't hold as much strength as it holds today. Specially against way, way better consoles.
And as i said, if both consoles are another leap, then it will be really hard for Nintendo to convince 3rd parties to port their games to Switch.

I could swear I've been transported to 2006.  "How can the Wii ever compete against the more powerful PS3?"  It is funny how this argument never seems to die no matter how much reality proves it wrong.

"How can the DS ever hope to compete against the more powerful PSP?"

The argument can even switch companies.
"How can the 32-bit PS1 ever compete with the N64?  The N64 is so much more powerful.  It has twice as many bits!"
"How can the Lameboy ever compete with the powerful Sega Game Gear?"
"How can the NES ever compete with the Amiga?  Console gaming is dead forever, and the Amiga is 16-bit!  The NES is only 8-bit.  It has the same processor as the Atari 2600!" 

This argument is present in every single generation.  It is not persuaded by reality.  Although the reality is that the less powerful console almost always wins.  The generation where the more powerful console wins is the exception and not the rule.  

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DélioPT said:
Well, if there isn't a Switch Pro coming, i highly doubt Switch can continue to be competitive. And even then, it better be indeed a PRO. Sooner or later, MS and Sony will be releasing new consoles and the gap between Switch and those consoles might be so big that porting to Switch is no longer financially viable. Unless it's ports and more ports, for years to come.

Its an hybrid. Its maybe weak compare to other home console but its a monster of a portable device. Maybe they will just focus more on the portability in the future so it looks really powerful.



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Nogamez said:
RaptorChrist said:
Why would the Nintendo president say otherwise? Maybe I'm missing something here, but console manufacturers stop supporting a system because of other factors in the industry (read: competition). Of course Nintendo would like to support the Switch longer, but if sales are declining they will need to move on. Also, in five years, aren't you going to want Nintendo to come up with something new? The Switch is going to feel uway underpowered by that time.

I think they mean more the brand to be honest. Like in 3 years we could have an upgraded Switch like xbox one x

Nintendo went that route with the DS and the 3DS, so I don't think it would be too much of a surprise if they did it with the Switch, especially if it continues to sell really well.

There are only a few 3DS games that only work on the "New 3DS", as developers don't want to eliminate part of the install base when making a game. If/when the Switch does get an upgrade, it still won't future-proof the brand.

I'm not a hater, but the Switch is still young, and wanting something great to last for years and years is fine. Maybe a decade ago I would have been in that boat, but from my own personal experience, it's not quite played out that way.

I can see Nintendo four years from now:

It's E3 2022, the PS5 is out, and all it's games are standard 4K. There is talks of Sony announcing their PS5 Pro that is capable of 8K. Now it's time for Nintendo's Direct. Instead of announcing a Switch 2, they announce a Switch Pro.

I'm just saying that early in a console's lifecycle, when we eat, sleep, and breathe Switch, getting confirmation that it's going to still be around after 7 years sounds good, but by that point won't we be ready for a Switch 2?



mZuzek said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I could swear I've been transported to 2006.  "How can the Wii ever compete against the more powerful PS3?"  It is funny how this argument never seems to die no matter how much reality proves it wrong.

"How can the DS ever hope to compete against the more powerful PSP?"

The argument can even switch companies.
"How can the 32-bit PS1 ever compete with the N64?  The N64 is so much more powerful.  It has twice as many bits!"
"How can the Lameboy ever compete with the powerful Sega Game Gear?"
"How can the NES ever compete with the Amiga?  Console gaming is dead forever, and the Amiga is 16-bit!  The NES is only 8-bit.  It has the same processor as the Atari 2600!" 

This argument is present in every single generation.  It is not persuaded by reality.  Although the reality is that the less powerful console almost always wins.  The generation where the more powerful console wins is the exception and not the rule.  

PS2 was underpowered compared to GameCube and Xbox too, wasn't it?

Yep.  Being powerful is actually something of a disadvantage, because it jacks up the cost.

I think there are only two situations where the more powerful console won.
1) SNES vs. Genesis: In NA this was very close and the Genesis often won on a year by year basis.  But it lost worldwide and the SNES had a longer tail.
2) PS4 vs. X1 vs. Wii U: Ps4 is the clear winner, but not because of power.  It's because the others screwed up their consoles so badly that the PS4 was the only decent option.  Wii U gamepad is expensive and mostly useless.  X1 was originally bundled with Kinect which was also expensive and mostly useless (also all of crap involving physical media).  Ps4 just offered a plain old console and won by default.

In every other situation the weaker console wins.



DélioPT said:
Pyro as Bill said:

It's already spanking the XBX and PS4 Pro with WiiU ports, what makes you think Nintendo's success depends on horsepower?

If 4K can't beat portability, what makes you think 8K will?

Comparing Switch with variants isn't a fair comparison.

I'm comparing Switch to PS5 and XB4.
By the time that happens, portability won't hold as much strength as it holds today. Specially against way, way better consoles.
And as i said, if both consoles are another leap, then it will be really hard for Nintendo to convince 3rd parties to port their games to Switch.

Do you realise that your argument is the equivalent of saying the DS won't be able to compete with 360/PS3?

Nintendo getting downgraded or nonexistent 3rd party ports isn't a new thing.



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Good to hear. In fact, I say this even points to my prediction of a NEW Switch/Switch Pro happening at some point. It would be handled like the NEW 3DS for the most part when it comes to 3rd party games. Some games will be NEW Switch only, those that can run on OG Switch will be OG Switch compatible. Pretty much all 1st party content will work on both versioms however. And of course, sales numbers would be pooled together, much like the 3DS/NEW 3DS are.



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To say that the WiiU was supported for 5 years is a bit of a stretch.. it wasnt even manufactured for that long AFAIK. Good to hear that the Switch was a worthy investment for me, but I doubt that we are looking at a 10 year lifecycle. Except the GB series (GB+GBC) and maybe the DS, nothing passed the 8 year mark.



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