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WolfpackN64 said:
Chrizum said:
Christianity (I'll not narrow it down to just Catholicism) just has a very bad track record. Oppression, genocide, pedophilia... even in today's society many lives are being destroyed by the stubborn and oppresive dogmas of the Christian belief.

Many of these things are attributed to christianity, but in history, they often had nothing to do with the faith or the church itself.

The "church" has no faith. It's all people. People can do good things and bad things. People affiliated with the church have done good and bad and the church is held accountable by that.



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Chrizum said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Many of these things are attributed to christianity, but in history, they often had nothing to do with the faith or the church itself.

The "church" has no faith. It's all people. People can do good things and bad things. People affiliated with the church have done good and bad and the church is held accountable by that.

By that account, there have been done worse things to expand our economic markets then there has ever been done by religion.



WolfpackN64 said:
Chrizum said:

The "church" has no faith. It's all people. People can do good things and bad things. People affiliated with the church have done good and bad and the church is held accountable by that.

By that account, there have been done worse things to expand our economic markets then there has ever been done by religion.

The difference being, of course, that there is no holy book or spiritual leaders telling people how to expand our economic markets. Come on, it's a very silly comparison. I'm not saying all evil comes from religion. But what you're saying is basically "there are bad things in this world that have nothing to do with religion, so religion really isn't that bad".

I will concur religion has brought us good things as well. In the end it's just people doing things. But religion has a bad track record (Christianity and Islam most of all) and with good reason.



Chrizum said:
WolfpackN64 said:

By that account, there have been done worse things to expand our economic markets then there has ever been done by religion.

The difference being, of course, that there is no holy book or spiritual leaders telling people how to expand our economic markets. Come on, it's a very silly comparison. I'm not saying all evil comes from religion. But what you're saying is basically "there are bad things in this world that have nothing to do with religion, so religion really isn't that bad".

I will concur religion has brought us good things as well. In the end it's just people doing things. But religion has a bad track record (Christianity and Islam most of all) and with good reason.

A lot of bad things, wars, murders etc have happened in history due to political systems, ethnic differences, capitalism, socialism, greed etc. And religion.

Neither of those things are necessarly bad. Even "greed, to a certain extent, is good".



WolfpackN64 said:
OneTime said:

Re: science proving God doesn’t exist. Science basically has given up proving this.

1. Earth goes round the sun.
2. Universe is older than 4000 years
3. No attempts to contact God have succeeded
4. No attempt to measure God’s affect on the Universe have succeeded
5. Humans evolved like all the other animals
6. Humans therefore unlikely to be in the image of God
 7. Bible was cherry picked from a whole load of scripts
8. Christianity was chosen by Emperor (Saint) Augustine e because he thought a pacifist religion would be preferable to the Roman Gods
9.. Emporer (Saint) Augustine basically presented himself as “the one God”
10. The one god in the burning bush was the God Ra in Egypt

11. Pretty every investigation that has been done has disproved religion...

I've added points to make it easier to reply.

1, 2. Of course

3. If revelation is the only way to come into contact with God, there have been hundreds of times over the centuries. But it's not possible out of your own accord.

4. It's not measurable in a mathematical sence, but the Cosmological argument would hold that his effect on the universe is absolute.

5. Like and unlike, of course.

6. That's a logical fallacy.

7. Not cherry picked, more like composed. Even my own bible's footnotes aknowledges multiple scripts when they were used and which ones are the more probable ones.

8. Constantine and Augustine were two different persons.

9. Constantine and Augustine were two different persons.

10. What? How would you know?

11. What investigation?

 

 

And this is why science has given up disproving stuff.  Any one of those would be enough to seriously torpedo a scientific theory.

 



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OneTime said:
WolfpackN64 said:

I've added points to make it easier to reply.

1, 2. Of course

3. If revelation is the only way to come into contact with God, there have been hundreds of times over the centuries. But it's not possible out of your own accord.

4. It's not measurable in a mathematical sence, but the Cosmological argument would hold that his effect on the universe is absolute.

5. Like and unlike, of course.

6. That's a logical fallacy.

7. Not cherry picked, more like composed. Even my own bible's footnotes aknowledges multiple scripts when they were used and which ones are the more probable ones.

8. Constantine and Augustine were two different persons.

9. Constantine and Augustine were two different persons.

10. What? How would you know?

11. What investigation?

And this is why science has given up disproving stuff.  Any one of those would be enough to seriously torpedo a scientific theory.

No? I can't help you made mistakes in your post and claims that don't make any sense. This hasn't got anything to do with science.



Dude - I wrote just that off the top of my head! I didn’t even google the emporer who introduced Christianty to Rome.

Do you really think that smarter people than me couldn’t produce a better list given more than five minutes?


Just accept it: religion would be awesome if it were true. But it’s not true - it was used as a way to get people to accept authority and kill other people as required...



OneTime said:
Dude - I wrote just that off the top of my head! I didn’t even google the emporer who introduced Christianty to Rome.

Do you really think that smarter people than me couldn’t produce a better list given more than five minutes?


Just accept it: religion would be awesome if it were true. But it’s not true - it was used as a way to get people to accept authority and kill other people as required...

If so, actuall present some arguments. You even put forward another God in one of your arguments. If you don't see you pulled the rug from under your own feet I don't know what will help you here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXPdpEJk78E

Look, I'm just going to link the Russell vs Copleston debate on the existance of God. If you're up for debating this topic, it'll provide actual decent arguments on both sides.



Catholicism should be made fun of, I'm sure a high percentage of priests know it's bs.



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