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epicurean on 03 January 2018

I think we'll find out the most from how people feel about TLJ when Ep IX debuts. Until then people can make arguments for either "side."

I, for one, hated it. I won't see it again like I did the previous movies. I am not excited one bit for the next one. I'll probably still see it eventually, but I'm not going to read several (any) books, buy video games, comics, etc, like I did after Episode 7. I've just lost all interest.

For those that like it, good for you. Stay happy.



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Azuren on 03 January 2018
Goodnightmoon said:
DonFerrari said:

And if you erase the 10s it will drop lower than 7, your point being?

Funny is you only wanting to remove the lower end, but assuming all the upper end are good.

Sorry to burst your bubble but if there are a lot of sub 4 scores because of hate of a movie they liked, or because it goes to progressive agenda there are certainly a lot of 9 and 10 that are there just to defend the movie because of the SJW agenda, simple as that.

Go and look for a lot of movies and comics were SJW demand changes and have it fulfilled... the sales go lower, there will be a lot of pissed customers, but some strong defense even from people that didn't buy the product before and some that won't even buy it this time (reflects on the sales that got lower).

Again, why are you so defensive of this movie?

For fuck sake, what a ton of bullshit in one single message, all this excuses just cause you are unable to recognize the true reason why the movie is well rated, the movie is considered good by the vast majority, period, accept it already, if you don't like it fine, critics like it, people like it, don't come at me with all that SJW nonsense to justify why its well rated cause it makes no sense at all and you have ZERO proof of that. And you still don't understand how statistics work, no there is nothing strange about a 10 when the most popular score is an 8, nothing at all, however those 1s are out of place, there is a big jump compared to the people that give the movie a 2 or a 3, that's a sign of something going wrong, do you imagine a movie where the most popular score is a 3 and then almost no one gives it an 8 or an 9 but suddlenly there is a lot of people giving it a 10? Then in that case those 10 would be highly suspicious and would need to be weightened down in order to get a more representative score, but in this case the 1s are the suspicious ones, really even a child could understand this and so do you, this is just complete desperation to give some sense to your completely made out narrative, never ceases to amaze me how ridiculously out of reality some people in this kind of forums can be.

I agree, you should have just stopped with the bullshit there. Now there's all that text no one is going to take seriously.



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thismeintiel on 03 January 2018
epicurean said:
I think we'll find out the most from how people feel about TLJ when Ep IX debuts. Until then people can make arguments for either "side."

I, for one, hated it. I won't see it again like I did the previous movies. I am not excited one bit for the next one. I'll probably still see it eventually, but I'm not going to read several (any) books, buy video games, comics, etc, like I did after Episode 7. I've just lost all interest.

For those that like it, good for you. Stay happy.

Depends on if Disney puts out another great trailer to get people hyped. I think their will be many who want to see if they fix the screw ups of this film to give a satisfying conclusion. But, it won't be all of them. I wouldn't be surprised if Ep 9 opens with less than $200M. 

As far as TLJ goes, the effects are clearly visible. If it performs like TFA did from here on out, it will be down by ~$750M. If it continues to perform 9% above RO (excluding opening weekend), it will be  down ~$810M.  Either is too big of a difference to just explain away.  At least for anyone with some sense. There's a reason Rian Johnson is reacting the way he is. Pleading with people to watch it. Saying just a few weeks after release Rey's parents can be retconned. 



 

epicurean on 03 January 2018
thismeintiel said:
epicurean said:
I think we'll find out the most from how people feel about TLJ when Ep IX debuts. Until then people can make arguments for either "side."

I, for one, hated it. I won't see it again like I did the previous movies. I am not excited one bit for the next one. I'll probably still see it eventually, but I'm not going to read several (any) books, buy video games, comics, etc, like I did after Episode 7. I've just lost all interest.

For those that like it, good for you. Stay happy.

Depends on if Disney puts out another great trailer to get people hyped. I think their will be many who want to see if they fix the screw ups of this film to give a satisfying conclusion. But, it won't be all of them. I wouldn't be surprised if Ep 9 opens with less than $200M. 

As far as TLJ goes, the effects are clearly visible. If it performs like TFA did from here on out, it will be down by ~$750M. If it continues to perform 9% above RO (excluding opening weekend), it will be  down ~$810M.  Either is too big of a difference to just explain away.  At least for anyone with some sense. There's a reason Rian Johnson is reacting the way he is. Pleading with people to watch it. Saying just a few weeks after release Rey's parents can be retconned. 

I won't go opening week unless it appears it was all a dream. Then I'll consider it. :)

Plenty will go, of course. But I've never walked out of a movie more disappointed. No trailer is going to fix that.



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thismeintiel on 03 January 2018
epicurean said:
thismeintiel said:

Depends on if Disney puts out another great trailer to get people hyped. I think their will be many who want to see if they fix the screw ups of this film to give a satisfying conclusion. But, it won't be all of them. I wouldn't be surprised if Ep 9 opens with less than $200M. 

As far as TLJ goes, the effects are clearly visible. If it performs like TFA did from here on out, it will be down by ~$750M. If it continues to perform 9% above RO (excluding opening weekend), it will be  down ~$810M.  Either is too big of a difference to just explain away.  At least for anyone with some sense. There's a reason Rian Johnson is reacting the way he is. Pleading with people to watch it. Saying just a few weeks after release Rey's parents can be retconned. 

I won't go opening week unless it appears it was all a dream. Then I'll consider it. :)

Plenty will go, of course. But I've never walked out of a movie more disappointed. No trailer is going to fix that.

LOL, yeah. I'm in the same boat. Though, I wouldn't go unless it was a redo, where they used like the 20% of the ideas/footage from TLJ that actually worked. Call it The Final Jedi. Then, don't let Rian Johnson anywhere near the franchise, again. Well, at least as a writer. 



 

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Vincoletto on 03 January 2018
epicurean said:
I think we'll find out the most from how people feel about TLJ when Ep IX debuts. Until then people can make arguments for either "side."

I, for one, hated it. I won't see it again like I did the previous movies. I am not excited one bit for the next one. I'll probably still see it eventually, but I'm not going to read several (any) books, buy video games, comics, etc, like I did after Episode 7. I've just lost all interest.

For those that like it, good for you. Stay happy.

Thats pretty much how I feel about it. A lot of people like it, good for them. Well, a lot of people like the fast and the furious also... maybe even the critics...

I will watch ep 9 probably but probably when it reaches netflix, although I have a good faith JJ can fix some of the problems. But the damage is done for fans of SW fans.

I think its time for us to accept it that Disney owns it now and they will milk it the way they think its best to get a lot of money and fulfilling their agenda no matter how it hurts the lore for the old fans. In a sense, well, its over.



Vincoletto on 03 January 2018
epicurean said:

But I've never walked out of a movie more disappointed. No trailer is going to fix that.

This. I remember watching the prequels in the theaters. I got of of there thinking that some things were bad choices, why would lucas do this and that. But I also remember enjoying those movies, it was fun, and besides some poor choices, it told a cohesive (yet complicated) story that connected the trilogies. Could have been so much better, but I enjoyed it. After a few years and watching again I even started to like it more.

But ep 8 just made me feel sad and disappointed.



Vincoletto on 03 January 2018
Mr.GameCrazy said:
Vincoletto said:

Cool isnt it? Im just waiting for it to reach 1000.

The movie sucks by the way :-p

I disagree, but I respect your opinion.

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KLAMarine on 04 January 2018
Goodnightmoon said:
Pavolink said:
When a movie it's good, it stands by its own.
First, people needed to lie about past entries in the franchise to defend it.

But it seems the plan failed. Now they have moved to even mention other movies/franchises.

Do we need more proof now? I don't think so.


tlj is officially a bad movie and a failure for the SW universe.

86 on metacritic and 91% on rottentomatoes

7.6 on imdb among 255.000 votes

1 bilion $ in just 17 days without being released on China where is gonna be a hit

Do we need more proof? You are oficially the person with worst arguments of this whole forum

Btw, did you saw the movie already or you just keep shitting about without watching it as you did shamelessly for more than a week? Talking about a failure

There's been considerable backlash against TLJ and one has to wonder if not for the backlash, how much higher might the box office sales have been?

Sure the film could be a success and have made back its production and marketing costs but could the backlash affect Episode 9's performance and the performance of spin-offs? How about merchandise sales?

Has the Star Wars brand been hurt by the backlash?

 

Even if all endeavors are profitable, this doesn't mean all is well. It's not every year a mainline SW film is released. I highly doubt Disney's gonna try to do-over episode 8's production and release in hopes of reducing backlash, raising the amount of tickets sold, and generating excitement for the coming sequel. Pissed off viewers are less likely to consume other and future SW content. Pissed viewers are less likely to watch the film again.

 

You don't get a second chance at a first impression. Opportunity is there to be seized but if it isn't seized, it's lost.



Simpleton on 04 January 2018
KLAMarine said:
Goodnightmoon said:

86 on metacritic and 91% on rottentomatoes

7.6 on imdb among 255.000 votes

1 bilion $ in just 17 days without being released on China where is gonna be a hit

Do we need more proof? You are oficially the person with worst arguments of this whole forum

Btw, did you saw the movie already or you just keep shitting about without watching it as you did shamelessly for more than a week? Talking about a failure

There's been considerable backlash against TLJ and one has to wonder if not for the backlash, how much higher might the box office sales have been?

Sure the film could be a success and have made back its production and marketing costs but could the backlash affect Episode 9's performance and the performance of spin-offs? How about merchandise sales?

Has the Star Wars brand been hurt by the backlash?

 

Even if all endeavors are profitable, this doesn't mean all is well. It's not every year a mainline SW film is released. I highly doubt Disney's gonna try to do-over episode 8's production and release in hopes of reducing backlash, raising the amount of tickets sold, and generating excitement for the coming sequel. Pissed off viewers are less likely to consume other and future SW content. Pissed viewers are less likely to watch the film again.

 

You don't get a second chance at a first impression. Opportunity is there to be seized but if it isn't seized, it's lost.

The prequels got lots of backlash and TFA ended up with 2 billion dollars.

Star Wars fans always flock to the next movie when that shiny, exciting trailer pops up.