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People aren't talking about 9s and 10s since it's getting bombed with 0s and 1s. If the metacritic score was 9.3 or something it would be equally dubious but that's not what's happening.



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Vincoletto said:
JakDaSnack said:
It amazes me that this thread is still active and has over 800 responses.

Cool isnt it? Im just waiting for it to reach 1000.

The movie sucks by the way :-p

Well, the movie YOU like sucks by the way :P



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Simpleton said:
People aren't talking about 9s and 10s since it's getting bombed with 0s and 1s. If the metacritic score was 9.3 or something it would be equally dubious but that's not what's happening.

But the game have a lot more 9 and 10s than 0 and 1s right? And it averages closer to 10 than 0



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Do people here consider the user reviews for games like call of duty and destiny 2 to be accurate. I don't like the call of duty series but the user reviews tend to be very overboard in negativity.



I don't think it's quite right to call any user reviews "troll" reviews, provided that they actually paid for the product/service/etc they're reviewing. They have a right to have their say on the matter, and it's important to remember that these people are not professional reviewers. Nobody is paying them to give an unbiased, detached account for the purpose of informing the general consumer on the various merits and faults of whatever they're reviewing.

User reviews, in my mind, are allowed to be biased. They are allowed to be emotional (in the positive or negative) about whatever it is they're reviewing. They can base their review on very specific things that they were hoping to get from what they paid for, rather than taking into account the broad scope that a paid critic must inform his audience on. A user review doesn't need to go about the process of going down the list categories a paid reviewer needs to hit in order to cover all his/her bases. That's what you have those professional critics for in the first place, to inform you on all those things, in as objective a manner as possible. And if they've done their job well, then what they had to say will be accurately reflected in the user reviews, by which I mean not necessarily the scores given, but how different segments of the audience feels about what you reviewed. Because an objective critic can still tell you if a certain type of person, looking for a certain type of experience, will hate/love something they personally loved/hated.

So in a way, user reviews are a measurement for how well paid critics do their job, in providing helpful information to all types of consumers. For example, lets say I'm a paid critic for X publication, and I say something along the lines of "Rian Johnson challenges every expectation you have about a Star Wars movie......," and then I go on to tell you that I loved this for such and such reasons. I should then also point out that it may not go over well with everyone, because when you challenge all these expectations, you're also at the same time subverting a lot of things that are (probably) near and dear to a good portion of the fanbase. That's the job. A user review is not that. A user review is just somebody telling you how they feel, and that's perfectly valid.




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Angelus said:
I don't think it's quite right to call any user reviews "troll" reviews, provided that they actually paid for the product/service/etc they're reviewing. They have a right to have their say on the matter, and it's important to remember that these people are not professional reviewers. Nobody is paying them to give an unbiased, detached account for the purpose of informing the general consumer on the various merits and faults of whatever they're reviewing.

User reviews, in my mind, are allowed to be biased. They are allowed to be emotional (in the positive or negative) about whatever it is they're reviewing. They can base their review on very specific things that they were hoping to get from what they paid for, rather than taking into account the broad scope that a paid critic must inform his audience on. A user review doesn't need to go about the process of going down the list categories a paid reviewer needs to hit in order to cover all his/her bases. That's what you have those professional critics for in the first place, to inform you on all those things, in as objective a manner as possible. And if they've done their job well, then what they had to say will be accurately reflected in the user reviews, by which I mean not necessarily the scores given, but how different segments of the audience feels about what you reviewed. Because an objective critic can still tell you if a certain type of person, looking for a certain type of experience, will hate/love something they personally loved/hated.

So in a way, user reviews are a measurement for how well paid critics do their job, in providing helpful information to all types of consumers. For example, lets say I'm a paid critic for X publication, and I say something along the lines of "Rian Johnson challenges every expectation you have about a Star Wars movie......," and then I go on to tell you that I loved this for such and such reasons. I should then also point out that it may not go over well with everyone, because when you challenge all these expectations, you're also at the same time subverting a lot of things that are (probably) near and dear to a good portion of the fanbase. That's the job. A user review is not that. A user review is just somebody telling you how they feel, and that's perfectly valid.


And the problem is that a lot of professional reviews aren't objective and as unbiased as possible... I agree with all else you said.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The desperation going on here is reaching insane levels. Out of the 252.000 votes the movie has on Imdb if you erase the 5% giving the movie a 1 the movie gets an 8 among 237.000 votes, most people liked the movie almost as much as critics did, that's not by chance, crikticas and public think the movie is good, get over it. And no, 9s and 10s are not unreliable scores when the most popular score the movie is getting are 8s, looks like some people know nothing about stadistics and graphics.

What happens here is the same story as always, many forum dwellers live in an alternative reality that has little to do with the real world, we see this here constantly, they really believed this movie was a huge failure and everybody hated it when in reality is just them the ones hating it.

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DonFerrari said:
It is funny that we can consider the game not deserving a 0 or 1 make all scores below 4 unaceptable, but at the same time we must accept all 9 and 10... so why not make the average between 4 and 8 votes and then get the average?

Bullshit, you only need to get rid of the 1s to have an average very close to 8, you don't need to get rid of everything below 4, and yes 9s and 10s are totally normal when the most popular score of the people are 8s, there is nothing strange about a 9 when most people give the movie an 8, however a 1 is extremelly suspicious specially when it jumps so much betweeen the previous scores, this is simple logic, the average of the 95% of people that doesn't give the movie a 1 is almost an 8, people liked it, critics liked it, the movie is making a ton of money, it was a sucess in every sense despite what a tiny vocal minority says, is just as simple as that

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 02 January 2018

mZuzek said:
Mr.GameCrazy

By the way, you never replied, so just to make sure you know, I was talking about GotG and GotG Vol. 2 earlier. I just finished watching the first one - it's the first time since the release of Vol. 2 that I wasn't watching it only as a consequence of Vol. 2 (as in, "just gonna watch it to watch 'em both" or something), and I think because of that it's the first time in like 9 months that I could really appreciate again everything it does. It's a really beautiful movie, I love it a lot... can't wait to get started with Vol. 2 now (!!), but first I need a little break.

Sorry for not replying sooner. I liked watching GotG 1 and 2. I hope you enjoy rewatching the 2nd one.



haxxiy said:
Soundwave said:

At NINE YEARS OLD though? lol. The only human capable of flying death pods at 1000 mph? 

His mom getting fucked by Force penis to magically create a baby? 

None of that stretches the lore too much? C'mon guys. 

I actually think it would work if Rey is somehow willed by the Force and in particular Anakin himself from the Netherworld of the Force after Luke shuts himself off. It makes sense because Anakin is not going to just sit there and watch everything he set right be ruined by his idiot grandson. 

Thematically it works perfectly too, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with being the next Darth Vader, the irony would be if Anakin chooses Rey to basically inherit his power. So she is basically everything Kylo thought he should be by birthright, that works very well thematically. 

I could see that, even though really it doesn't even require that kind much explanation. She's the chosen one/golden child/messiah. Force chose her to end the Dark Side. And what the Force wants, the Force apparently gets it seems. 

You are taking the word of a kid who says "nothing can kill a jedi" and has lived since age three or so at a small spaceport and its outskirts too much at face value. Not to mention he never even finished a race before salvaging a nice pod for himself (good enough on itself that Sebulba bought it afterwards) and being trained a little bit on the ways of the force by Qui-Gon. If those aliens were actually that much sturdier at taking on g-forces and having faster reflexes etc. as you believe we would have seen them everywhere on galactic military, and it would probably deserve more than an off-hand comment which may or may not be interpreted that way.

As for Anakin's conception, again the same question, we have only Shmi's word to base on. Qui-Gon believes on her and that it is the will of the force, and even speculates on physical phenomena that might have led into it (midi-chlorians and so) but we never see the direct evidence, which makes it seem more mystical / spiritual than Leia flying or whatever (a subtlety with the supernatural and magical shared by the likes of Tolkien and Poe which makes them superior to their wackier counterparts and knockoffs to most people). If Shmi had been impregnated by the force on-screen on Episode I by some flashy SFX you can bet there would have been way, way more backlash.

 

I don't think he is remembering thinks correctly, again. But, I guess this is the only argument he has so he keeps repeating it. Anakin being Space Jesus, as well as being a Gary Sue (I don't think many used this term, but this is what they were actually talking about) for little kids, was two of the largest complaints about the film. There's a reason Lucas toned it down, as well as never mentioned a virgin birth again, in the remaining prequels.

Lucas-Rio said: 
It is now at 50% of approval at RottenTomatoes, still slowly dropping. Maybe only a matter of,time before it drops under 50%.

The fans have spoken, the professional reviews smoke some heavy stuff or got some heavy dollars before watching the movie. Don't forget than among the 50% approval, there are a lot of casuals, Marvey and Disney lovers. The approval among SW fans must be around 10%.

Idk about the 10% comment, but definitely ouch about the 50%.  Gotta laugh about people wanting to ignore the 1s and 2s, but want to keep the 9s and 10s, just so it's rating can go up. 

KLAMarine said: 
SuaveSocialist said: 

LOL

You forgot to read the last paragraph.

I'm sure that part helps ease the blow of not making $400-$600 million more dollars on a mainline SW film.

Disney breathes a sigh of relief.

Btw Mr. Socialist, are you sticking up for Disney?

If it turns out it made the same 80% of its total BO this past Monday, like TFA did for this point in time,  it'll actually be down by ~$750M WW.