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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

I wonder why the Reps are helping to hold things up? It's not because Trump is in charge, that's for sure. Power is distributed across the branches yes. They offered him 25 bil free and clear, no catch, and he denied it, but now only wants 5 bil? Sounds legit... I'm sure the media didn't accidentally forget to tell the entire story.

You really think when Trump put's the Gov and it's workers in 'such jeopardy', and the Dems still won't budge, even though they care so much about this particular issue, that if Trump backs off and re-opens operations, that the Dems will happily play nice? Give a Dem 25% and they'll start asking for 70%. Don't people remember and learn?

Have you been paying attention.  Its not the Reps helping to hold things up, its just McConnell.  You know, that guy who will not put any bills on the Senate floor because he is afraid to anger Trump base and put any GOP who might be coming up for reelection in 2020 in jeopardy.  You have one person scared for his political life doing nothing because he doesn't want to see a 2/3rd vote send Trump veto to hell.

We know the entire story about the 25 Billion dreamer package and we also remember when right wing media denounced it when Trump was considering the offer. 

In a hostage situation you care about the hostages but does that mean you give in to the demands.  Why do you believe we have a policy to not negotiate with Terrorist in such situations.  If you give in to one demand, then they will continue to repeat the same thing.  The first step is for Trump to realize that waiting until budget time to make demands without giving anything in return is over.  The Dems will not play that game and he will have to do his job if he wants anything.  He played this scenario 3 times, at some point people stop falling for it.  You can continue to absolve Trump of anything but as he stated he will own this shutdown and its up to him to end it.

Mitch and only Mitch? I'm sure he's the only one who's against this... There's no way anyone else is keeping quiet because that's the thing to do today to save your livelihood. Their afraid to anger Trumps base, leading to the potential loss of the 2020 Presidency and Senate majority? It's almost like when somebodies boss tells them to do something, they actually follow orders, since they wish to please the boss and keep their job, and more importantly, the overall companies customers and shareholders.

So why was it that NK was constantly told to go fly a kite because of their threatening terrorist like ways before Trump, leading to the situation getting worse, but when Trump steps in and puts his foot down he is able to make progress with them? Good thing he didn't 'negotiate' in any manner because more peace is the last thing anyone needs..

Trump also just made a DACA offer and was told it doesn't matter what he offers, what he's asking for is insane and nothing will change that. Why do I keep hearing the Dems require something in return for the wall, if they are making it clear there is nothing that will change their minds? It's almost like a shutdown is being used as necessary leverage to get what's needed from a rock that won't budge.



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jason1637 said:
Runa216 said:

Well, I've never met a democrat/liberal who believes in abstinence-only education. I've also never met a democrat/liberal who supports the wall or thinks it will actually work. do they exist? sure, but they're NOT the majority. 

My parents are democrats and believe in abstinence until marriage and they believe it should be taught like that.

I said I've never MET one. I specifically said in the post that I'm sure they exist but they're not the majority. 

This is a failure of your reading comprehension (Is English not your first language?) as well as your confirmation bias. Congratulations! 



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Runa216 said:
jason1637 said:

My parents are democrats and believe in abstinence until marriage and they believe it should be taught like that.

I said I've never MET one. I specifically said in the post that I'm sure they exist but they're not the majority. 

This is a failure of your reading comprehension (Is English not your first language?) as well as your confirmation bias. Congratulations! 

I'm just pointing out I know Democrats that believe in teaching abstinence. You don't have to come at me so hostile.



Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Good people don’t accumulate 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years.  Even Batman villains have difficulty doing that.

But Beloved Leader is just getting started.

 

There have been countless reports of corruption from previous presidents administrations too

And if they managed to amass 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years, my statement would still apply to them.

Congratulations on not refuting my point; looks like Beloved Leader is not a good person after all.



SuaveSocialist said:
Immersiveunreality said:

 

There have been countless reports of corruption from previous presidents administrations too

And if they managed to amass 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years, my statement would still apply to them.

Congratulations on not refuting my point; looks like Beloved Leader is not a good person after all.

There is no reasoning with someone as onesided as you,those independently confirmed reports of corruption do not have to mean anything other then weaponized political propaganda influence.

Congratulations on not understanding how to filter information.



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Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:

And if they managed to amass 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years, my statement would still apply to them.

Congratulations on not refuting my point; looks like Beloved Leader is not a good person after all.

those independently confirmed reports of corruption do not have to mean anything other then weaponized political propaganda influence.

 

If such is the case, it is your job to prove it.  You may go through the list one by one and explain which instances, if any, meet your above description.  You will, of course, be required to explain specifically how it fits, citing credible sources for any evidence you may have that any particular detail is incorrect.  Furthermore, you will be expected to conform to the accepted parameters for logical argument.

You will find I am quite responsive to logic and evidence-based reasoning.

corrupt.af

Simply scroll down, click each headline and you will be brought to its source.  There are over 1550 now.  Have fun!



SuaveSocialist said:
Immersiveunreality said:

those independently confirmed reports of corruption do not have to mean anything other then weaponized political propaganda influence.

 

If such is the case, it is your job to prove it.  You may go through the list one by one and explain which instances, if any, meet your above description.  You will, of course, be required to explain specifically how it fits, citing credible sources for any evidence you may have that any particular detail is incorrect.  Furthermore, you will be expected to conform to the accepted parameters for logical argument.

You will find I am quite responsive to logic and evidence-based reasoning.

corrupt.af

Simply scroll down, click each headline and you will be brought to its source.  There are over 1550 now.  Have fun!

That site is full of left wing hitpieces and you dare to say you are responsive to logic and evidence based reasoning?

As i scroll down those articles i see the same newssources that attack youtubers and other people that do not own the same opinion and try to villianize them over dumb trivial stuff, these are the special kind of"journalists" that like to invoke witchhunts and you call those sources,are you joking?

You indeed brought us evidence,the evidence that your views on politics are very skewed and with all the talk you have it is understanding that you do not have.

Buzfeed hitpieces

Washington post hitpieces

New york Times hitpieces

Wall street journal hitpieces

And on the front page there is the one you call beloved leader together with Putin, and a title that says Donald trump is corrupt AF.

Evenly insane as a flat earth site in my opinion but enjoy the fantasy,it might even have a tiny bit of truth spread amongst the overblown lies.



EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

Have you been paying attention.  Its not the Reps helping to hold things up, its just McConnell.  You know, that guy who will not put any bills on the Senate floor because he is afraid to anger Trump base and put any GOP who might be coming up for reelection in 2020 in jeopardy.  You have one person scared for his political life doing nothing because he doesn't want to see a 2/3rd vote send Trump veto to hell.

We know the entire story about the 25 Billion dreamer package and we also remember when right wing media denounced it when Trump was considering the offer. 

In a hostage situation you care about the hostages but does that mean you give in to the demands.  Why do you believe we have a policy to not negotiate with Terrorist in such situations.  If you give in to one demand, then they will continue to repeat the same thing.  The first step is for Trump to realize that waiting until budget time to make demands without giving anything in return is over.  The Dems will not play that game and he will have to do his job if he wants anything.  He played this scenario 3 times, at some point people stop falling for it.  You can continue to absolve Trump of anything but as he stated he will own this shutdown and its up to him to end it.

Mitch and only Mitch? I'm sure he's the only one who's against this... There's no way anyone else is keeping quiet because that's the thing to do today to save your livelihood. Their afraid to anger Trumps base, leading to the potential loss of the 2020 Presidency and Senate majority? It's almost like when somebodies boss tells them to do something, they actually follow orders, since they wish to please the boss and keep their job, and more importantly, the overall companies customers and shareholders.

So why was it that NK was constantly told to go fly a kite because of their threatening terrorist like ways before Trump, leading to the situation getting worse, but when Trump steps in and puts his foot down he is able to make progress with them? Good thing he didn't 'negotiate' in any manner because more peace is the last thing anyone needs..

Trump also just made a DACA offer and was told it doesn't matter what he offers, what he's asking for is insane and nothing will change that. Why do I keep hearing the Dems require something in return for the wall, if they are making it clear there is nothing that will change their minds? It's almost like a shutdown is being used as necessary leverage to get what's needed from a rock that won't budge.

I have no ideal what the heck you are saying in the first paragraph.  What is your point.

The DACA offer was dead on arrival if you paid attention because this went to the courts and Trump overturning Obama policy was turned down.  Not only that but the Supreme court denied hearing the case so what he offered was basically nothing.  He offered nothing believing everyone is stupid and do not pay attention to current events like his base.  This is the reason why Trump pray on people like you.  You only follow the right wing media sites, so you only get what they tell you and then you debate issues in ignorance.

You call shutting down the government as leverage others see it as taking people livelihood as hostage.  In the end, politically its who the people believe is the person at fault that matters.  Right now, the blame is going to Trump so if this is his leverage, he is losing the battle.  Its the only reason he threw out that dead on arrive DACA offer and he will continue to lose support until he realize that no deal will be made until the government is open.  Maybe next time he will offer a real deal not some BS.



Immersiveunreality said:
Locknuts said:
With all these FBI and media investigations and turning up nothing, Donald Trump must be one of the cleanest people in history. I like him more and more each day now.

He does not communicate like a president should but i dont think he is such a bad person and the almost religious left or right wing hyperbole will not likely change that,this thread is full of it.

Its not that he doesn't communicate like past Presidents, its that he doesn't understand the office.  First, he communicate by twitter which is ok if you are just sharing some thoughts, not ok if you are sharing policy.  Lets take some examples.  When Trump decided to share through twitter his Muslim ban, removal of Transgender from the military, Pull out of Syria.  Each and everyone of these times he has done these things through Twitter first without communicating them to the proper channels.  Each time all hell has broken out for the people who has to put those policy into place. 

The government has a lot of check and balances for instituting policy.  Usually you have to have research and reports ready to show why you want to make certain policy or even change existing policies.  In each case, when Trump has done things through Twitter his administration has been shutdown in courts.  Actually, a lot of policies Trump administration has put into placed that are challenged in court are getting shutdown because his administration are not doing their due process.

As for Trump being a bad person, well even if you excluded his Presidency, you could still find quite a bit of info that support that he isn't a good business man nor a good person in general.  



Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:

If such is the case, it is your job to prove it.  You may go through the list one by one and explain which instances, if any, meet your above description.  You will, of course, be required to explain specifically how it fits, citing credible sources for any evidence you may have that any particular detail is incorrect.  Furthermore, you will be expected to conform to the accepted parameters for logical argument.

You will find I am quite responsive to logic and evidence-based reasoning.

corrupt.af

Simply scroll down, click each headline and you will be brought to its source.  There are over 1550 now.  Have fun!

1. you dare to say you are responsive to logic and evidence based reasoning?

2. are you joking?

 

1.  I dare.

2. No, I am not.

I note that you have not specified any of the 1550 ought to be omitted as you have not identified any errors with sourced evidence to the contrary for any of them, nor have you made any logical argument why any given one is some sort of “weaponized propaganda” or whatever.

As you have not met this minimum standard, my position remains uncontested and yours remains unsubstantiated.