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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Immersiveunreality on 22 January 2019
Machiavellian said:
Immersiveunreality said:

He does not communicate like a president should but i dont think he is such a bad person and the almost religious left or right wing hyperbole will not likely change that,this thread is full of it.

Its not that he doesn't communicate like past Presidents, its that he doesn't understand the office.  First, he communicate by twitter which is ok if you are just sharing some thoughts, not ok if you are sharing policy.  Lets take some examples.  When Trump decided to share through twitter his Muslim ban, removal of Transgender from the military, Pull out of Syria.  Each and everyone of these times he has done these things through Twitter first without communicating them to the proper channels.  Each time all hell has broken out for the people who has to put those policy into place. 

The government has a lot of check and balances for instituting policy.  Usually you have to have research and reports ready to show why you want to make certain policy or even change existing policies.  In each case, when Trump has done things through Twitter his administration has been shutdown in courts.  Actually, a lot of policies Trump administration has put into placed that are challenged in court are getting shutdown because his administration are not doing their due process.

As for Trump being a bad person, well even if you excluded his Presidency, you could still find quite a bit of info that support that he isn't a good business man nor a good person in general.  

I do not know how he got that far without being a good business man but i agree with many that he is not the president America needs.

Him being a bad person goes as far as his blunt ways to communicate and maybe mismanaging his personel but the level of bad person that the world(media and a big amount of the population) gives him is like he is Hitler,i am sure that with more caution and a milder ways to bring across his views would have helped him to avoid the drama he faces that previous presidents did not encounter.

Outside of this i hope the next president is one that most people in America can be on even grounds with and the war of what is the good and bad side goes on a low burn.

But i agree with the rest of your response(it was also informative) and the way he does not seem to understand how he should behave in his position.



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Immersiveunreality on 22 January 2019
the-pi-guy said:
Immersiveunreality said:

That site is full of left wing hitpieces and you dare to say you are responsive to logic and evidence based reasoning?

As i scroll down those articles i see the same newssources that attack youtubers and other people that do not own the same opinion and try to villianize them over dumb trivial stuff, these are the special kind of"journalists" that like to invoke witchhunts and you call those sources,are you joking?

You indeed brought us evidence,the evidence that your views on politics are very skewed and with all the talk you have it is understanding that you do not have.

Buzfeed hitpieces

Washington post hitpieces

New york Times hitpieces

Wall street journal hitpieces

And on the front page there is the one you call beloved leader together with Putin, and a title that says Donald trump is corrupt AF.

Evenly insane as a flat earth site in my opinion but enjoy the fantasy,it might even have a tiny bit of truth spread amongst the overblown lies.

 Wall Street Journal is right wing.  

 Dismissing papers like the Washington Post, and New York Times because you disagree with them, does not make for an argument.

 

" that attack youtubers and other people that do not own the same opinion and try to villianize them over dumb trivial stuff"

And how did they do that?

I dismiss a lot of them because they have no clear source to prove what they claim but i look through them.

Wall Street Journal might be right wing but that does not say they have to be truthfull or do you think everything on the right is in the same camp?

 

"And how did they do that?"

Example: Giving people a Nazistamp for making a bad joke or because they have some unrelated connection to another that said something unsensitive. (If you befriend me i will search for articles and make you a nice big list to pm it to you)

Edit: Thought i responded to Suavesocialist so made some adjustments, excuse me.

Last edited by Immersiveunreality - on 22 January 2019

melbye on 22 January 2019
CaptainExplosion said:

And now he's gonna get us all killed just by threatening to scrap the nuclear treaty.

Thanks for nothing, America.

You have been promising that Trump will now kill us all for over a year now and we are still here. I've been preparing for this inevitable death for so long, i even quit my job in the most asshole way making it impossible for me to get a recommendation for another job because i thought Trump would have killed us by now. So where is this apocalypse you promised us?

 

Thanks for nothing CaptainExplosion

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EricHiggin on 22 January 2019
Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Mitch and only Mitch? I'm sure he's the only one who's against this... There's no way anyone else is keeping quiet because that's the thing to do today to save your livelihood. Their afraid to anger Trumps base, leading to the potential loss of the 2020 Presidency and Senate majority? It's almost like when somebodies boss tells them to do something, they actually follow orders, since they wish to please the boss and keep their job, and more importantly, the overall companies customers and shareholders.

So why was it that NK was constantly told to go fly a kite because of their threatening terrorist like ways before Trump, leading to the situation getting worse, but when Trump steps in and puts his foot down he is able to make progress with them? Good thing he didn't 'negotiate' in any manner because more peace is the last thing anyone needs..

Trump also just made a DACA offer and was told it doesn't matter what he offers, what he's asking for is insane and nothing will change that. Why do I keep hearing the Dems require something in return for the wall, if they are making it clear there is nothing that will change their minds? It's almost like a shutdown is being used as necessary leverage to get what's needed from a rock that won't budge.

I have no ideal what the heck you are saying in the first paragraph.  What is your point.

The DACA offer was dead on arrival if you paid attention because this went to the courts and Trump overturning Obama policy was turned down.  Not only that but the Supreme court denied hearing the case so what he offered was basically nothing.  He offered nothing believing everyone is stupid and do not pay attention to current events like his base.  This is the reason why Trump pray on people like you.  You only follow the right wing media sites, so you only get what they tell you and then you debate issues in ignorance.

You call shutting down the government as leverage others see it as taking people livelihood as hostage.  In the end, politically its who the people believe is the person at fault that matters.  Right now, the blame is going to Trump so if this is his leverage, he is losing the battle.  Its the only reason he threw out that dead on arrive DACA offer and he will continue to lose support until he realize that no deal will be made until the government is open.  Maybe next time he will offer a real deal not some BS.

Your not aware of the people who's lives are being destroyed for saying something that's truthful or just flat out makes sense? Where have you been getting your news from? It's almost like the Reps are trying to do what their 'employers' the people want. How horrible.

DACA was useless, so useless that the Dems went from saying they wouldn't deal because they weren't getting anything worthwhile in return, to saying it has nothing to do with deals and is simply because the wall is stupid and immoral, just like the walls around Nancy's Pelosi's multiple homes/estates. It wasn't the DACA offer that did that, it was just by chance.



Machiavellian on 23 January 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
Machiavellian said:

Its not that he doesn't communicate like past Presidents, its that he doesn't understand the office.  First, he communicate by twitter which is ok if you are just sharing some thoughts, not ok if you are sharing policy.  Lets take some examples.  When Trump decided to share through twitter his Muslim ban, removal of Transgender from the military, Pull out of Syria.  Each and everyone of these times he has done these things through Twitter first without communicating them to the proper channels.  Each time all hell has broken out for the people who has to put those policy into place. 

The government has a lot of check and balances for instituting policy.  Usually you have to have research and reports ready to show why you want to make certain policy or even change existing policies.  In each case, when Trump has done things through Twitter his administration has been shutdown in courts.  Actually, a lot of policies Trump administration has put into placed that are challenged in court are getting shutdown because his administration are not doing their due process.

As for Trump being a bad person, well even if you excluded his Presidency, you could still find quite a bit of info that support that he isn't a good business man nor a good person in general.  

I do not know how he got that far without being a good business man but i agree with many that he is not the president America needs.

Him being a bad person goes as far as his blunt ways to communicate and maybe mismanaging his personel but the level of bad person that the world(media and a big amount of the population) gives him is like he is Hitler,i am sure that with more caution and a milder ways to bring across his views would have helped him to avoid the drama he faces that previous presidents did not encounter.

Outside of this i hope the next president is one that most people in America can be on even grounds with and the war of what is the good and bad side goes on a low burn.

But i agree with the rest of your response(it was also informative) and the way he does not seem to understand how he should behave in his position.

Well he has 6 bankruptcies.  Just about every business he started outside of real estate has failed.  He had to be bailed out by his dad 2 twice for his failures.  No bank in the US will fund any of his developments because of all the failures and not paying his bills.  He is known for stiffing his contractors quite a bit on projects.  He has multiple lawsuits where he has reneged on countless contracts especially with smaller contractors hoping to make them settle for less then what he signed.  The only bank that funds him is a Bank that was charged for money laundering, Deutsche bank.  Since he will not share his tax return, who knows really what his net worth is but then again most of that probably is his daddy money.  Either way, as far as billionaires goes, he probably would be at the bottom of my list in business acumen and nothing during the last 2 years shows any indication that he knows how to run a business let alone a government office.



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EnricoPallazzo on 23 January 2019

Still waiting for ww3 to happen and the exodus of left wing people and celebrities to canada.



Machiavellian on 23 January 2019
EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

I have no ideal what the heck you are saying in the first paragraph.  What is your point.

The DACA offer was dead on arrival if you paid attention because this went to the courts and Trump overturning Obama policy was turned down.  Not only that but the Supreme court denied hearing the case so what he offered was basically nothing.  He offered nothing believing everyone is stupid and do not pay attention to current events like his base.  This is the reason why Trump pray on people like you.  You only follow the right wing media sites, so you only get what they tell you and then you debate issues in ignorance.

You call shutting down the government as leverage others see it as taking people livelihood as hostage.  In the end, politically its who the people believe is the person at fault that matters.  Right now, the blame is going to Trump so if this is his leverage, he is losing the battle.  Its the only reason he threw out that dead on arrive DACA offer and he will continue to lose support until he realize that no deal will be made until the government is open.  Maybe next time he will offer a real deal not some BS.

Your not aware of the people who's lives are being destroyed for saying something that's truthful or just flat out makes sense? Where have you been getting your news from? It's almost like the Reps are trying to do what their 'employers' the people want. How horrible.

DACA was useless, so useless that the Dems went from saying they wouldn't deal because they weren't getting anything worthwhile in return, to saying it has nothing to do with deals and is simply because the wall is stupid and immoral, just like the walls around Nancy's Pelosi's multiple homes/estates. It wasn't the DACA offer that did that, it was just by chance.

You keep saying the Reps what to do what the people want, how do you know.  Until the vote hit the Senate floor you have no clue what they want.  Now that McConnell will allow a vote on the Senate floor we will see what each party wants instead of guessing.

As for your last paragraph, I believe you have no clue what you are talking about.  Never said DACA was useless, I said the deal Trump offered was useless.  He offered something that he hasn't even gotten the courts to rule in his favor so why would the Dems accept some temporary offer.  As for saying the wall is immoral, well we will see if spending 5.6 Billion for a 200 mile wall is wasteful or not but one thing for sure.  First Trump will have to open the government first.  He can blather all he wants but he hasn't given anything to make the Dems deal.  Get the government open first then lets have all immigration talks.  No more using a shutdown as leverage as the Dems not going to play that game anymore.



sethnintendo on 23 January 2019
EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:

I have no ideal what the heck you are saying in the first paragraph.  What is your point.

The DACA offer was dead on arrival if you paid attention because this went to the courts and Trump overturning Obama policy was turned down.  Not only that but the Supreme court denied hearing the case so what he offered was basically nothing.  He offered nothing believing everyone is stupid and do not pay attention to current events like his base.  This is the reason why Trump pray on people like you.  You only follow the right wing media sites, so you only get what they tell you and then you debate issues in ignorance.

You call shutting down the government as leverage others see it as taking people livelihood as hostage.  In the end, politically its who the people believe is the person at fault that matters.  Right now, the blame is going to Trump so if this is his leverage, he is losing the battle.  Its the only reason he threw out that dead on arrive DACA offer and he will continue to lose support until he realize that no deal will be made until the government is open.  Maybe next time he will offer a real deal not some BS.

Your not aware of the people who's lives are being destroyed for saying something that's truthful or just flat out makes sense? Where have you been getting your news from? It's almost like the Reps are trying to do what their 'employers' the people want. How horrible.

DACA was useless, so useless that the Dems went from saying they wouldn't deal because they weren't getting anything worthwhile in return, to saying it has nothing to do with deals and is simply because the wall is stupid and immoral, just like the walls around Nancy's Pelosi's multiple homes/estates. It wasn't the DACA offer that did that, it was just by chance.

 

Um did you miss his sentence saying DACA was defended by the courts now?  Why the fuck would democrats agree to a bullshit deal when DACA is already protected?  This is a manufactured crisis by someone named trump whose only experience manufacturing something is a mcdonalds turd out his ass.



sethnintendo on 23 January 2019
EnricoPallazzo said:
Still waiting for ww3 to happen and the exodus of left wing people and celebrities to canada.

Yea don't worry because once every state turns into Kansas I believe all the smart people will be gone by then. 



sethnintendo on 23 January 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
SuaveSocialist said:

And if they managed to amass 1500 independently confirmed reports of corruption in three years, my statement would still apply to them.

Congratulations on not refuting my point; looks like Beloved Leader is not a good person after all.

There is no reasoning with someone as onesided as you,those independently confirmed reports of corruption do not have to mean anything other then weaponized political propaganda influence.

Congratulations on not understanding how to filter information.

One of the biggest controversy of Obama's presidency is that he wore a tan suit.  Trump just took that tan suit and shit all over it.  Maybe trump should have divested his entire company to his kids because you can't have foreign leaders staying at your shit hotel in D.C. to gain favor with the president.  There is one official lawsuit for you to suck on.

Last edited by sethnintendo - on 23 January 2019