You keep saying the Reps what to do what the people want, how do you know.  Until the vote hit the Senate floor you have no clue what they want.  Now that McConnell will allow a vote on the Senate floor we will see what each party wants instead of guessing.

As for your last paragraph, I believe you have no clue what you are talking about.  Never said DACA was useless, I said the deal Trump offered was useless.  He offered something that he hasn't even gotten the courts to rule in his favor so why would the Dems accept some temporary offer.  As for saying the wall is immoral, well we will see if spending 5.6 Billion for a 200 mile wall is wasteful or not but one thing for sure.  First Trump will have to open the government first.  He can blather all he wants but he hasn't given anything to make the Dems deal.  Get the government open first then lets have all immigration talks.  No more using a shutdown as leverage as the Dems not going to play that game anymore.

Um did you miss his sentence saying DACA was defended by the courts now?  Why the fuck would democrats agree to a bullshit deal when DACA is already protected?  This is a manufactured crisis by someone named trump whose only experience manufacturing something is a mcdonalds turd out his ass.

Because an issue gets less worse does not mean you ignore the issue. We don't need a wall for immigration reform yeah but a wall would be a great way to reduce the amount of illegal immigrants coming from the border.

How many illegal immigrants will the wall stop.  You keep saying this but you have absolutely no data because no one who is advocating for the wall has did any due process.  You believe this 200 mile stretch is going to stop how many people from illegally getting into the US.  What are you basing your information from.  I personally have no issue with building a wall, my issue is that its half ass.  What I mean by that is that its a half ass measure for a much bigger issue and the end result will be that it will take years to do and probably by itself be worthless.  We have a president who invents a crises, shuts down the government for a half ass measure when in reality we need something on the order or the 2013 bill.

Interesting how we spin around on a wall when if you really want to stop illegal immigration you would go after business that hire illegal immigrants.  You take away the money and you see a huge drop in crossings way more than a wall will solve.  Trump business have profited by this very cheap labor force for decades.  Do you believe he really is trying to do anything for immigration reform.  Instead he throws out the simple but half ass solution because even he knows it really isn't going to do much without complete reform.

'Almost like the Reps are trying' is not the same as they are doing exactly what the people are asking for. Plus, if the people wanted the Dems to be able to move forward with their agenda, they would have voted that way, yet the Dems only took the House so.

I meant DACA in reference to the deal Trump was making. Why aren't the Dems using that as their main talking point instead of we don't care about deals anymore, because that just flat out shows weakness and all that matters are political polls apparently, so why would they put themselves in that situation? Walls obviously don't work, that's why Nancy surrounds herself with some form of wall as often as possible, because who doesn't like to be smothered and locked down all the time? The Dems won't play willingly and definitely won't if they aren't forced to, so fighting Trump to re-open the Gov and make sure their initial crack at governing looks like a win is a must in their eyes.

It is not a cost effective way to do so.  

Just putting up a wall isn't enough. You still need to have border patrol officers, and a bunch of other things.  

Inner German wall  was only 900 miles long, yet it had 50,000 soldiers with machine guns, traps, landmines, booby traps and more.  

People were still able to get over that wall. 

The US Mexico border is over twice as long.  We already spend almost $4 billion annually, despite only having about 20,000 border patrol officers.  

It's not about ignoring the issue.  It's about whether a solution to an issue is cost effective (not necessarily by dollar amount).  

For example, spending more money on a solution than the problem costs usually doesn't make any sense.  
Creating a solution that's actually a bigger problem than the original problem never makes sense.  

How many illegal immigrants will the wall stop.  You keep saying this but you have absolutely no data because no one who is advocating for the wall has did any due process.  You believe this 200 mile stretch is going to stop how many people from illegally getting into the US.  What are you basing your information from.  I personally have no issue with building a wall, my issue is that its half ass.  What I mean by that is that its a half ass measure for a much bigger issue and the end result will be that it will take years to do and probably by itself be worthless.  We have a president who invents a crises, shuts down the government for a half ass measure when in reality we need something on the order or the 2013 bill.

Interesting how we spin around on a wall when if you really want to stop illegal immigration you would go after business that hire illegal immigrants.  You take away the money and you see a huge drop in crossings way more than a wall will solve.  Trump business have profited by this very cheap labor force for decades.  Do you believe he really is trying to do anything for immigration reform.  Instead he throws out the simple but half ass solution because even he knows it really isn't going to do much without complete reform.

You seem to be very passionate about this wall being built, to say the least. I'm curious, has illegal immigration effected you directly in any way?

Having 0 defense is better than nothing. Those who believe that it will stop all illegal immigrants from crossing are obviously stupid. The reason this shit got out of hand is because the system back then let it happen and let people take advantage of it. Fast forward now, they increase the procedures for Legal Immigrants while give a free pass to a lot of illegal immigrants. Very fair. 

You seem to be going in circles.  The Dems never put DACA on the table, it was Trump.  They never asked for Trump to put some temporary deal that doesn't solve anything on the table.  The weakness was Trump throwing out garbage expecting everyone to be idiots. 

Do you know the Dems stance.  First open the government, then discuss immigration.  There is no reason to deal on DACA until after the government is open.  You are making a false stance as if the Dems work the way you want them to.  They have all come to the realization that playing this game leads nowhere.  Why go through negotiations that could takes months on a real deal when working with Trump and his dependency for flipping every time right wing media oppose any deals seems stupid.

The Dems do not have to play willingly because Trump in 2 years never tried to reach out to them once.  Trump cannot force the Dems to do anything that's why he is getting his ass handed to him.  You are under the assumption that the Dems has to kiss Trump ass but they actually can continue to stay united that they will do no deals until the government is open.  The problem is that Trump believe he can force people to do what he wants and you are under the impression that Congress works for the executive office.  Both of you are clueless and that's why Trump is in this situation.  So you can continue to believe the Dems need to be forced to do Trumps will and you will find out government has never run this way.  Trump doesn't have the leverage and as each day continue he continue to lose more.

I literally had that in my first post.  
I never said one can't have a wall and border patrol.  My point was that it's not always cost effective.

It did not reduce it to 0.  

The terrain with Israel and the US are not comparable.  

No we don't.  

There are only a few hundred thousand that attempt to come over every year.

The number that actually make it into the US is much smaller, less than 90,000 a year.  

Do you really want to spend several billion to stop less than 90,000 people every year? 

Again, "cost effective".  

That means whether it is worth the cost. 

Even if something is 100% "effective", does not mean it is "cost effective".

1.) Again, US and Israel borders are not comparable.  

2.) And yet in the years after the border wall was completed: people still made it over

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/9/interceptions-immigrants-stubbornly-low/

The Government Accountability Office report found that an estimated 208,813 illegal immigrants escaped capture along the nearly 2,000-mile border. Slightly more than half of them turned back to Mexico, and the others proceeded deeper into the U.S., the report said.