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The year of women glorying in their victimhood more like.



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o_O.Q said:
whenever you have people interacting freely in a sexual manor towards each other, someone is often going to make some type of mistake, since no one is perfect, its not something that is ever going to go away in a free society

the problem is further compounded by the innate tendency most women have to admire and be attracted to men with power, who generally are going to tend to be dominant and likely to push boundaries than the average man ( since that is what drives success in a competitive environment )

Considering how common those mistakes are, it sure seems like something should be done about them - especially considering how easy mistakes they seem. Most harassment sounds like it's going way against common sense. I'm not saying there aren't cases where it's harder to differentiate between, say, flirting and harassment (for the harasser), but most cases should be quite obvious, yet they happen anyway. I mean, who thinks inappropriate suggestions, groping, ass slaps etc. are acceptable and not harassment by default? Then there's even more glaring cases of touching intimate areas. Many of these things might be acceptable at, say, a night club if you've been carefully evaluating the situation and pushing it further (without resistance), but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour.



o_O.Q said:
VGPolyglot said:

Ah yeah, blame it on the women for being sexually assaulted.

 

going around ascribing blame for bad events that happen over attempting to come up with a viable solution is the domain of a fool

 

to find a viable solution for a problem you need to take note of all of the factors that cause that problem, furthermore men and women aren't two entirely separate entities that have no connection or impact on the other

 

men influence the behavior of women in some ways and women influence male behavior in some ways

 

i don't think men would try as hard as they can to be successful and respected if there wasn't an understanding that women desire men like that... and as we see across just about all domains of competency, men compete and women generally go for the men that reach the top at much higher rates than those at the lower levels

 

i mean everyone understands this, are you really trying to deny reality? then you have to ask yourself, what type of man is generally likely to reach the top of a hierarchy?

 

but of course i already understand your solution to these issues - which is just to wipe out all hierarchies and keep everyone stuck at one level as some homogeneous blob where people are not allowed to manifest their individuality and i personally can't think of a worse fate for mankind on both an individual level and a group level

It's because we live in a society where mean are in a preferable position, and thus the women are essentially pressured into doing so to be successful. It's not like women don't have aspirations and ambitions of their own, they however have to live in a society that is skewed in favour of men and thus have to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do if there was a more equal playing ground. And it's interesting how apparently eliminating hierarchies makes people homogeneous, because having it so that people have to give up a bit of themselves in order to succeed seems like it makes people more heterogeneous to me.



Metroid33slayer said:
The year of women glorying in their victimhood more like.

Glorying in their victimhood? If they don't bring the situation to light, nothing will change or improve.



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Zkuq said:
o_O.Q said:
whenever you have people interacting freely in a sexual manor towards each other, someone is often going to make some type of mistake, since no one is perfect, its not something that is ever going to go away in a free society

the problem is further compounded by the innate tendency most women have to admire and be attracted to men with power, who generally are going to tend to be dominant and likely to push boundaries than the average man ( since that is what drives success in a competitive environment )

Considering how common those mistakes are, it sure seems like something should be done about them - especially considering how easy mistakes they seem. Most harassment sounds like it's going way against common sense. I'm not saying there aren't cases where it's harder to differentiate between, say, flirting and harassment (for the harasser), but most cases should be quite obvious, yet they happen anyway. I mean, who thinks inappropriate suggestions, groping, ass slaps etc. are acceptable and not harassment by default? Then there's even more glaring cases of touching intimate areas. Many of these things might be acceptable at, say, a night club if you've been carefully evaluating the situation and pushing it further (without resistance), but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour.

 

"but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour."

 

and no one at all times abides by the concepts of what society deems as aceptable

 

don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that this is not a problem, but i think its necessary to come at problems from a realistic perspective with the intention of actually mitigating against the problem in some way, or reducing the problem if possible

 

and tbh the dynamics in terms of how women and men operate make a solution for this difficult to unlikely imo, i already mentioned one - that women are generally drawn to men with power and that those men are most likely to be the type that pushes past boundaries... what can be done about this? i can't think of anything personally

 

maybe at some point we need to come to terms with the fact that the world is not perfect and that we need to accept that there is always going to be some risk that is innate to existing



o_O.Q said:
Zkuq said:

Considering how common those mistakes are, it sure seems like something should be done about them - especially considering how easy mistakes they seem. Most harassment sounds like it's going way against common sense. I'm not saying there aren't cases where it's harder to differentiate between, say, flirting and harassment (for the harasser), but most cases should be quite obvious, yet they happen anyway. I mean, who thinks inappropriate suggestions, groping, ass slaps etc. are acceptable and not harassment by default? Then there's even more glaring cases of touching intimate areas. Many of these things might be acceptable at, say, a night club if you've been carefully evaluating the situation and pushing it further (without resistance), but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour.

 

"but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour."

 

and no one at all times abides by the concepts of what society deems as aceptable

 

don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that this is not a problem, but i think its necessary to come at problems from a realistic perspective with the intention of actually mitigating against the problem in some way, or reducing the problem if possible

 

and tbh the dynamics in terms of how women and men operate make a solution for this difficult to unlikely imo, i already mentioned one - that women are generally drawn to men with power and that those men are most likely to be the type that pushes past boundaries... what can be done about this? i can't think of anything personally

 

maybe at some point we need to come to terms with the fact that the world is not perfect and that we need to accept that there is always going to be some risk that is innate to existing

And how is saying that essentially it's the way women are going to help anything? It's just normalizing it.



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

going around ascribing blame for bad events that happen over attempting to come up with a viable solution is the domain of a fool

 

to find a viable solution for a problem you need to take note of all of the factors that cause that problem, furthermore men and women aren't two entirely separate entities that have no connection or impact on the other

 

men influence the behavior of women in some ways and women influence male behavior in some ways

 

i don't think men would try as hard as they can to be successful and respected if there wasn't an understanding that women desire men like that... and as we see across just about all domains of competency, men compete and women generally go for the men that reach the top at much higher rates than those at the lower levels

 

i mean everyone understands this, are you really trying to deny reality? then you have to ask yourself, what type of man is generally likely to reach the top of a hierarchy?

 

but of course i already understand your solution to these issues - which is just to wipe out all hierarchies and keep everyone stuck at one level as some homogeneous blob where people are not allowed to manifest their individuality and i personally can't think of a worse fate for mankind on both an individual level and a group level

It's because we live in a society where mean are in a preferable position, and thus the women are essentially pressured into doing so to be successful. It's not like women don't have aspirations and ambitions of their own, they however have to live in a society that is skewed in favour of men and thus have to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do if there was a more equal playing ground. And it's interesting how apparently eliminating hierarchies makes people homogeneous, because having it so that people have to give up a bit of themselves in order to succeed seems like it makes people more heterogeneous to me.

 

"It's because we live in a society where mean are in a preferable position"

we don't live in the 1950s, women dominate tertiary education and earn more than men in their 20s, i suppose this drops off as women get older because of issues like them having kids

 

" thus the women are essentially pressured into doing so to be successful"

i wasn't talking about social pressure that women face, i was talking about one aspect of what women are attracted to in men - success and power... unless your argument is that you don't really think women are attracted more to powerful and successful men

 

"they however have to live in a society that is skewed in favour of men"

how? when sexism against women is illegal?

 

" thus have to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do if there was a more equal playing ground"

again, we do not live in the 1950s and this is another strawman regardless

 

"And it's interesting how apparently eliminating hierarchies makes people homogeneous"

well you'd have to first understand that differences naturally result in hierarchies... do you at least understand that?

 

"because having it so that people have to give up a bit of themselves in order to succeed seems like it makes people more heterogeneous to me."

expand upon this please, because i really don't understand what you are saying here

is your argument here that people shouldn't have to work? please clarify



VGPolyglot said:
o_O.Q said:

 

"but generally it's clear as day that they're unacceptable behaviour."

 

and no one at all times abides by the concepts of what society deems as aceptable

 

don't get me wrong here, i'm not saying that this is not a problem, but i think its necessary to come at problems from a realistic perspective with the intention of actually mitigating against the problem in some way, or reducing the problem if possible

 

and tbh the dynamics in terms of how women and men operate make a solution for this difficult to unlikely imo, i already mentioned one - that women are generally drawn to men with power and that those men are most likely to be the type that pushes past boundaries... what can be done about this? i can't think of anything personally

 

maybe at some point we need to come to terms with the fact that the world is not perfect and that we need to accept that there is always going to be some risk that is innate to existing

And how is saying that essentially it's the way women are going to help anything? It's just normalizing it.

 

tell me, how do you when you are outside identify which people are men and which people are women?

 

the point i'm trying to make by asking that is that there are certain characteristics that we accept as being more common in either gender

 

one thing i'll add here is that is at least you are trying to have a discussion about this, which is worthy of respect unlike others here who think they are helping the world by dividing it into two absolutes

the same people apparently don't realise that the darkest periods of human history have occurred as a result of doing so

Last edited by o_O.Q - on 17 November 2017

StarOcean said:

Already got people defending sexual assault/harassment here

Its vgchartz what you expected ?

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