2017 Year of Sexual Harassment

[o_O.Q]

VGPolyglot said:

o_O.Q said:

 

going around ascribing blame for bad events that happen over attempting to come up with a viable solution is the domain of a fool

 

to find a viable solution for a problem you need to take note of all of the factors that cause that problem, furthermore men and women aren't two entirely separate entities that have no connection or impact on the other

 

men influence the behavior of women in some ways and women influence male behavior in some ways

 

i don't think men would try as hard as they can to be successful and respected if there wasn't an understanding that women desire men like that... and as we see across just about all domains of competency, men compete and women generally go for the men that reach the top at much higher rates than those at the lower levels

 

i mean everyone understands this, are you really trying to deny reality? then you have to ask yourself, what type of man is generally likely to reach the top of a hierarchy?

 

but of course i already understand your solution to these issues - which is just to wipe out all hierarchies and keep everyone stuck at one level as some homogeneous blob where people are not allowed to manifest their individuality and i personally can't think of a worse fate for mankind on both an individual level and a group level

It's because we live in a society where mean are in a preferable position, and thus the women are essentially pressured into doing so to be successful. It's not like women don't have aspirations and ambitions of their own, they however have to live in a society that is skewed in favour of men and thus have to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do if there was a more equal playing ground. And it's interesting how apparently eliminating hierarchies makes people homogeneous, because having it so that people have to give up a bit of themselves in order to succeed seems like it makes people more heterogeneous to me.

 

"It's because we live in a society where mean are in a preferable position"

we don't live in the 1950s, women dominate tertiary education and earn more than men in their 20s, i suppose this drops off as women get older because of issues like them having kids

 

" thus the women are essentially pressured into doing so to be successful"

i wasn't talking about social pressure that women face, i was talking about one aspect of what women are attracted to in men - success and power... unless your argument is that you don't really think women are attracted more to powerful and successful men

 

"they however have to live in a society that is skewed in favour of men"

how? when sexism against women is illegal?

 

" thus have to do things that they otherwise wouldn't do if there was a more equal playing ground"

again, we do not live in the 1950s and this is another strawman regardless

 

"And it's interesting how apparently eliminating hierarchies makes people homogeneous"

well you'd have to first understand that differences naturally result in hierarchies... do you at least understand that?

 

"because having it so that people have to give up a bit of themselves in order to succeed seems like it makes people more heterogeneous to me."

expand upon this please, because i really don't understand what you are saying here

is your argument here that people shouldn't have to work? please clarify