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malistix1985 said:
Bandorr said:
Isn't there a new VR coming out? If I'm jumping into VR should I wait for the new one?

You should, the hdr passtrough is a big easy to use bonus and the smaller cables are something well worth it along with the build in earphones, from what I have noticed is the small version bump really kills the most anoying things that early adopters complained about.

 

thought it was already out?



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X1Gates said:
pitzy272 said:

I’m shocked at how non-competitive Sony is being with XBO—both with the X and the S. Either they’re idiots, or the data they were/are seeing poses no real threat in the long run. I know MS’s lead is temporary, but right now PS4 isn’t just getting beaten by the X, but both S models are now beating PS4 as well due to their prices undercutting the lowest cost PS4 by $100 and $60. 

Btw...did Sony eliminate all 500gb system options in the US? I know giving more HD space encourages buying digital, but seems odd at the cost of being able to hit a lower system price.

sony understands that the beast cannot be tamed and does not want to lose money on cutting the pro price.

Or they just realize they already have a substantial lead and Microsoft's formula for the last 4 years is to only focus on the holidays.



bluedawgs said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
Again I still do not understand all the "concern" for Sony right now. I think they are being smart personally......still selling very well in spite of a "new" XB and the hottest item this holiday in the Switch which just go ta HUGE game in SMO......in my opinion it would be crazy for them to panic and try to undercut when they have been consistently killing it all year WW. They have been playing their cards right all gen and it is no different at this point. I still expect them to be up YOY for Nov and Dec......so ehhhhhhh I say let us all just enjoy FINALLY seeing THREE consoles selling great!

the concern for ps4 in the amazon threads happens every holiday. its annoying cus we all know amazon is completely unreliable and once january hits its back to ps4 domination but it is a little more mind boggling this year due to ps4 having its best year yet in the us yet people still think the tides are turning. granted its only a select few. the xbox one x has been hyped for well over a year now, in fact it was first mentioned all the way back at e3 2016 for fucks sake. xbox has a hardcore fanbase that will guarantee good sales at launch. plus we all know the vast majority are gonna wait till black friday to buy a ps4 for $199. in the mean time though, you just gotta let those who are excited about xbox getting one over on ps4 for the first time since last year have their moment to shine

Again the shine stuff is irrelevant to me....It was just the concern as if the PS4 was doing bad that bothered me that was all. Everything selling well is a good sign. And I could swear Amazon has been pretty reliable with the order of who wins NPD....by how much maybe not but it has been reliable with the order of sales. So to say it is completely unreliable is false imo....

FIT_Gamer said:
X1Gates said:

sony understands that the beast cannot be tamed and does not want to lose money on cutting the pro price.

Or they just realize they already have a substantial lead and Microsoft's formula for the last 4 years is to only focus on the holidays.

WHHHHHHHY did you bite on this OBVIOUS.....bait......come on man lol. Like there was no other intent for that comment other than to get a reaction from someone and a reply.......DO FEED INTO IT MAN!!!! Lol



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tbone51 said: 

I see, x1 if holiday is strong has a good chance of pulling good numbers, though i doubt x1x will push sales close to 10mil. I mean its down YoY. Itll need alot of catching up to do. 7mil is plausible but we dont even have 2016 numbers to base of.

 

8mil is a possibility but slim imo

7-8m for XB1 this year are absolutely waaaaaay too much.

So far it sold 1.4m in USA by the end of September (down YOY by 26% compared to 2016 1.89m), and as we know US is a very big part of XB1 sales. It used to be 60%, but the percent is actually dropping year after year. (in 2013 it was 60.6%, in 2014 58.3%, in 2015 57.4%, and in 2016 55.7%) So is likely that this year US sales are a bit less than 55%, this would put XB1 at around 2.6m more or less.

In October XB1 won't sell over 300k, and this is also a very optimist prediction (September was 175k in USA, and October will of course be less than that), so XB1 will most likely be under 3 million when November start.

 

XB1 is not gonna sell over 4 million this holiday season......



Nautilus said:
Intrinsic said:

Does,'t matter with things like these......

So what it doesn't sell well or even at all for the next 8 days or so. And lose all of say 100k sales (thats being really generous) then in 2-3 days it sells 700k consoles. Selling more in that time frame that it has in as much as 3 months combined on most months of the year. 

Thats the power of holiday sales.

But you lose 100k sales of console at 300 dollars to gain 200k at selling at 200 dollars with no profit(obviously Im assuming next to no profit).Just saying that Sony should have announced this 1 week before black friday, so that you profit over that slice of the market that dont follow the gaming industry that much and dont know when there is usually sales and stuff.

In the long run it wont matter much, since the PS4 will sell great either way.

 

This sale is for a whole week starting Nov. 19 and going through cyber Monday.  Means Sony has tons of these to sell.  PS4 will be number one on Amazon by the end of the month.  



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Nautilus said:

But you lose 100k sales of console at 300 dollars to gain 200k at selling at 200 dollars with no profit(obviously Im assuming next to no profit).Just saying that Sony should have announced this 1 week before black friday, so that you profit over that slice of the market that dont follow the gaming industry that much and dont know when there is usually sales and stuff.

In the long run it wont matter much, since the PS4 will sell great either way.

There is a reason these black friday deals are announced almost a week early. It allows people make plans and know exactly what they are gonna channel their money into.

Also, don't forget that its not even about making a lot of money selling 100k consoles at $300. Its about getting 500k people, even if they are buying your console at $200 to actually pick it up, cause those 500k people are gonna buys games, controllers, sign up for PSN....etc.

Honestly, I am even surprised why its taken them this long to drop to $200.



Ryng_Tolu said:
shikamaru317 said:

By VGC numbers, which have mostly been adjusted now to match MS official numbers those years:

2013- 3m

2014- 7.9m

2015- 8.6m

For 2014, most analyst say XB1 was at 10.5m by the end of the year.

Also from EA statment we can estimate that XB1 was at abour 19.1m by the end of 2015, so if we use 7.5m for 2014, and 3m for 2013, the sales of 2015 are pretty much the same as VGC. So XB1 sales are more like:

2013 - 3m
2014 - 7.5m
2015 - 8.6m

EA made a statement that the PS4 + XB1 sold 79 million by the end of 2016. PS4 sold 53.9m according to Sony, so that would put the XB1 at 25.6m.

Ryng_Tolu said: 

7-8m for XB1 this year are absolutely waaaaaay too much.

So far it sold 1.4m in USA by the end of September (down YOY by 26% compared to 2016 1.89m), and as we know US is a very big part of XB1 sales. It used to be 60%, but the percent is actually dropping year after year. (in 2013 it was 60.6%, in 2014 58.3%, in 2015 57.4%, and in 2016 55.7%) So is likely that this year US sales are a bit less than 55%, this would put XB1 at around 2.6m more or less.

In October XB1 won't sell over 300k, and this is also a very optimist prediction (September was 175k in USA, and October will of course be less than that), so XB1 will most likely be under 3 million when November start.

 

XB1 is not gonna sell over 4 million this holiday season......

From what I have, the US made up somewhere between 57% to 62% of the XB1's total sales by the end of 2016. It largely depends on whether EA's estimate - PS4's sales is accurate or if IHS's number (27.6m) is accurate. SuperData had the XB1 at 26m by the end of last year, though a lot of people don't trust in SuperData.

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Ryng_Tolu said:

7-8m for XB1 this year are absolutely waaaaaay too much.

So far it sold 1.4m in USA by the end of September (down YOY by 26% compared to 2016 1.89m), and as we know US is a very big part of XB1 sales. It used to be 60%, but the percent is actually dropping year after year. (in 2013 it was 60.6%, in 2014 58.3%, in 2015 57.4%, and in 2016 55.7%) So is likely that this year US sales are a bit less than 55%, this would put XB1 at around 2.6m more or less.

In October XB1 won't sell over 300k, and this is also a very optimist prediction (September was 175k in USA, and October will of course be less than that), so XB1 will most likely be under 3 million when November start.

 

XB1 is not gonna sell over 4 million this holiday season......

Thats messed up when you think of it..... one console is selling around 18M units a year. The other is selling less than 8M a year.



Intrinsic said:
Nautilus said:

But you lose 100k sales of console at 300 dollars to gain 200k at selling at 200 dollars with no profit(obviously Im assuming next to no profit).Just saying that Sony should have announced this 1 week before black friday, so that you profit over that slice of the market that dont follow the gaming industry that much and dont know when there is usually sales and stuff.

In the long run it wont matter much, since the PS4 will sell great either way.

There is a reason these black friday deals are announced almost a week early. It allows people make plans and know exactly what they are gonna channel their money into.

Also, don't forget that its not even about making a lot of money selling 100k consoles at $300. Its about getting 500k people, even if they are buying your console at $200 to actually pick it up, cause those 500k people are gonna buys games, controllers, sign up for PSN....etc.

Honestly, I am even surprised why its taken them this long to drop to $200.

I thought this deal was only for the actual black friday(so end of the month), not at starting at the 1th.Ignore my rambling then!



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Nautilus said:

I thought this deal was only for the actual black friday(so end of the month), not at starting at the 1th.Ignore my rambling then!

Hint.... whatever price you see during the black Friday sales period, shows up again around Christmas.

Prices kinda go back to whatever they were around January for a week or two. Then they go back to whatever the were priced at for black Friday and Christmas. Been like that every single year since the HD twins launched.