Crash is probably biggest surprise of the year for UK. Its up there WW too but UK is notable

Im notntrying to be that guy but probably not. Reception is bad. Going by others and even user gribble here, the whole online only thing is killing it

What does Forza have to do with my post?

And outselling GT6 (if it does) still doesn't mean it isn't a bomb. GT6 sold poorly for a GT game.

Imo we will see a GT7 in a few years.  Time will tell who's right. 

No need for doom talk. The game has more content than Gran Turismo 1, 2 or 3! It has almost as much content as Forza 5 had plus an innovative and substantial online mode and VR!

The people that are actually playing it are saying the best things about it, the biggest gripe atm is the lack of tracks. It’s easy to see why they take longer than the competition to make their content. ( which they aren really btw....If we’re honest pC2 Andy Forza 7 both took like 3 years linger to make as both games are just updated older versions.)

Thanks for worrying but the series is not just fine, it was the totally right thing to drop all the old and low-fi content. Not sure if you’ve tried the game yourself already...if you haven’t you should do it. It’s the best GT and most fun to drive than GT4 at least, if not ever.

WOW GT Sport has more content than games from 16 or 20 years ago...

This game released in 2017. It should be compared to it's contemporary releases, not games that released almost a decade or more ago (FM3 released in 2009, GT3 released in 2001). FM7 is miles ahead in terms of content, despite having a shorter dev cycle.

It does have a substantial online mode though. So substantial that they saw it fit to make almost the whole game rely on being online. And with no proper campaign.

I'm sure the gameplay is the best it has been, but that doesn't automatically make it the best game. Not in my eyes at least. I think PD/Sony can and should do better, and I hope this spurs them to do so.

Can we do the same for MH5? 

Are you downlplaying the game to justify those sales?

Okay, so GT7 is effectively a prologue. Mario Kart 8D is just a port.

We are talking the UK here. Sony rules, Nintendo does not. We are talking about Gran Turismo, the most aclaimed racing sim in teh world, compared to a port of a kart game.  Oh and a racing game in Europe. Those are also big, like soccer/football games are.

Not sure what GT ususally pulls in UK, but 80k seems low.

Your point that it should do better than GT6 as granted, while FM5 didn't.

So 6M is a bomb now, ok.

Do you want some list of games that fall short compared to the genre 20 years ago?

I believe he wanted to put FM5.

His point was that the dev cycle for the future releases on the same platform have more content, but the first release suffers from needing new engine.

There is SP content, there just isn't baked career championship, probably they can code that very fast if backlash and sales show it to them.

I think it was in the OP. GTS sold better than GT6 and GT1, but 1/3 of GT5 that was the highest.