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Arminillo said:
sc94597 said:

Why would money be a consideration when you plan to end your life anyway? People in Western countries have access to quite a bit of credit and since they have no intention of paying it back there is no care about interest rates.The process to get an Assault Rifle in the U.S is already quite rigorous and as I mentioned earlier 10 assault rifles are going to put you over a hundred thousand dollars. Australia's black market might be more supply constraint because it is an island country with an overwhelming majority of its population living along the coasts, making enforcement easier.  




I just wanna know how ppl plan to get the guns out of America that are already in circulation. Are they gonna get the owners, war on drugs style, or go after dealers? 7 of my immediate family members own firearms and I know for a fact they arent gonna go turn them in if laws were passed.

That is what many people in other countries don't understand. There are more guns than people in the United States. Illegalizing them isn't going to dent their supply. This makes people without guns vulnerable to those who don't abide by the law. Countries like Australia and U.K (both islands by the way) had minimal gun ownership before the bans. 




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SpokenTruth said:

If the right has solid data to back it, then we have a debate. But if the right is relying on that to back up their stance, there is no debate.

Didn't check the links, because I know there is no data which shows causation either way. 

Just want to point out though that not all pro-gun rights people are on the right. I am an left-libertarian (anarchist), which is as far left as you can get. Even state-socialists support gun rights because that is a safeguard againts a more plutocratic rulership. Only the center-left is anti-gun rights in this country. 



SpokenTruth said:
sc94597 said:

Sport, but even still there is a demand to kill things. I take it you never experienced a bear or coyote in your trash in the middle of nowhere. Tons of people in the U.S live in wilderness. A shotgun might be best against one animal, but a pack of animals would require something a bit more semi-automatic. 

Seriously?  Coyotes and bears in your trash are valid reasons for the massive increase in AR15 style weapon sales?  A pellet gun is enough to stop them from rooting in your trash.  You don't need an assault rifle for that.  As for a pack, can you cite stories of someone saving themselves from a pack of animals using an AR15 style weapon?   I'd love to see the ratio of those killed with AR15 style rifles to the number saved from animal pack attacks.

http://www.farmandranchguide.com/news/livestock/coyotes-lead-the-pack-for-predator-related-livestock-losses/article_a9f8bf5a-6da9-571d-abf7-8576be1fc69b.html

Also a pellet gun against a bear is such a ridiculous notion. As for coyotes, I would be risk-averse to rabies and if it was prepared to attack me I would not want a pellet gun. It's not about preventing them from rooting in your trash, it's about preventing them from harming you in other cirucumstances. 



SpokenTruth said:
sc94597 said:

Didn't check the links, because I know there is no data which shows causation either way. 

Just want to point out though that not all pro-gun rights people are on the right. I am an left-libertarian (anarchist), which is as far left as you can get. Even state-socialists support gun rights because that is a safeguard againts a more plutocratic rulership. Only the center-left is anti-gun rights in this country. 

There are like 5 of you in the US.  I'm not going to say the right plus the 5 left-libertarian anarchists everytime I reference the gun rights cohort.

Left-libertarians are more populated than you might think. Only about half of Americans vote, a significant portion of those who don't are anti-plutocratic pro-gun rights. 

https://www.theliberalgunclub.com/

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/lefties-with-guns-ready-to-ruimble-with-right-wing-militias-says-arizona-anarchist-beth-payne-9221311

http://www.pinkpistols.org/



SpokenTruth said:
sc94597 said:

http://www.farmandranchguide.com/news/livestock/coyotes-lead-the-pack-for-predator-related-livestock-losses/article_a9f8bf5a-6da9-571d-abf7-8576be1fc69b.html

Also a pellet gun against a bear is such a ridiculous notion. As for coyotes, I would be risk-averse to rabies and if it was prepared to attack me I would not want a pellet gun. It's not about preventing them from rooting in your trash, it's about preventing them from harming you in other cirucumstances. 

But you just said, "I take it you never experienced a bear or coyote in your trash in the middle of nowhere."

Because that is how most people first encounter them. After that things escalate because they know there is food and keep coming around like a cat who you gave milk to. 



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thismeintiel said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

That's true, but IED's aren't sold in Walmart. Thats the craziness of American law.

Good luck shooting over 250 with a pistol before someone stops you. Reloading? That takes time. There's absolutely no way man. 

Depending but there is a reason why the car attacks don't kill as much people as you'd think, it's a lot more difficult than it looks. That's why shooting an assault rifle into the crowd was the preferred option because its way easier to kill a lot more people. 

 

Bombs the damage is limitless but you can't buy bombs in Walmart. Kind of my point is it's way to easy to get guns in America.

Care to point to the Wal-Mart page where I can buy a fully automatic gun of any type?  And yes, Wal-Mart doesn't sell bombs, but they'll sell you the ingredients to make a shit load of them.  Guess we should ban all of those too.

 

This shit just pisses me off so much, cause you can tell the people who don't give two shits about these people. They're just looking to use their deaths for a political push of their ideology.  It's sickening.

I was making a statement that you can buy guns at Walmart that's how ridiculous the situation is. 

 

And yeah you can, but those ingredients have other uses. A gun has only 2 uses, to harm or to give a threat of harm. 

 

Anyway, I'm not suggesting banning guns or automatic guns. But it should be much more difficult to buy them than it is. And personally I don't see any use for an automatic gun, even for hunting hunters daily use automatic weapons. 



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Hiku said:

In Norway there had only been 2 deaths from gunfire since 2000. (That statistic comes from 2014 so I don't know if that number has increased now). Etc.

Breivik killed more than 70 with guns in 2011, so that can't be true



SpokenTruth said:
And when it happens again?

And again?

And again?

And again?

58 dead. 500 injured. And some of you care more for your guns than lives lost.

It seems like you're trying to make gun-owners feel guilty for owning them, even if they didn't participate in violent crimes themselves?



SpokenTruth said:
And when it happens again?

And again?

And again?

And again?

58 dead. 500 injured. And some of you care more for your guns than lives lost.

That's a nasty accusation to throw at anyone!