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deskpro2k3 on 29 September 2017
Hiku said:
deskpro2k3 said:

You know, I really [censored] hate having to repeat myself. MMO is a genre, FFXIV is also a Final Fantasy title. so every time you approach it, it is a Final Fantasy game.

A change in genre is a significant reason to have that reflected in the title. Last thing you want is for a fan of the mainline series to buy it and find out afterwards that it requires a monthly fee, and that you're forced into playing with a group of other players for certain missions (there were at least 5 such dungeons and 3 boss battles in the original XIV), and that the game is designed to be properly experienced when playing in a community, etc.
It's a Final Fantasy game, like Fantasy Star Online is a Fantasy Star game.

Anyway, call it mainline if you want. Just don't tell me that the number on the box determines that. It's because of people who think that way that companies put misleading titles on games.

In case you didn't freaking notice, I'm calling it the way the developers are calling it. So excuse me for trying to educate you. I've had enough of your bullshit speculations, so move on to the real topic of this thread.

You must be out if your damn mind to compare 14 to phantasy star online..



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deskpro2k3 on 29 September 2017
Hiku said:
deskpro2k3 said:

You know, I really [censored] hate having to repeat myself. MMO is a genre, FFXIV is also a Final Fantasy title. so every time you approach it, it is a Final Fantasy game.

A change in genre is a significant reason to have that reflected in the title. Last thing you want is for a fan of the mainline series to buy it and find out afterwards that it requires a monthly fee, and that you're forced into playing with a group of other players for certain missions (there were at least 5 such dungeons and 3 boss battles in the original XIV), and that the game is designed to be properly experienced when playing in a community, etc.
It's a Final Fantasy game, like Fantasy Star Online is a Fantasy Star game.

Anyway, call it mainline if you want. Just don't say that the number on the box determines that. It's because of people who think that way that companies put misleading titles on games.

As for FFXV's story, "ask the internet" is not a great source in this case, seeing as many people seem to have preconvieved notions of DLC. However the one other person in this thread who replied to my post (Wright) said he considers FFXV's story to be complete, even if the story had issues. You don't have to be satisfied with the actual story to consider it a complete story in the same way previous FF games were.

 

Hiku said:
deskpro2k3 said:

In case you didn't freaking notice, I'm calling it the way the developers are calling it. So excuse me for trying to educate you. I've had enough of your bullshit speculations, so move on to the real topic off this thread.

You must be out if your damn mind to compare 14 to phantasy star online..

Actually I was the one who educated you with examples of publishers adding or excluding numbers in titles for misleading purposes.
But looks like you forgot that lesson fast.

As for the main topic, if FFXV's story is complete, I added it to my previous post while you were replying, but here it is again. "Ask the internet" is not a great source in this case, seeing as many people seem to have preconvieved notions of DLC. However the one other person in this thread who replied to my post (Wright) said he considers FFXV's story to be complete, even if the story had issues. You don't have to be satisfied with the actual story to consider it a complete story in the same way previous FF games were.
If you want to debate why FFXV's story is incomplete, that could be an interesting subject.

 

Oh FFS. tell me where it's misleading.

 

You know, you might consider FFXV to be complete, but not Tabata. Considering the surveys, and adding more story related updates and possible new season pass.



Volterra_90 on 29 September 2017

The sooner the move on the better. I mean, FFXV is bad. At least FFXIV is a really good MMORPG, I prefer that they focus on that. And a new mainline FF game which is actually worth my time.



Hynad on 30 September 2017
Hiku said:
deskpro2k3 said:

You know, you might consider FFXV to be complete, but not Tabata. Considering the surveys, and adding more story related updates and possible new season pass etc etc and who knows what countless other things you'd dismiss.

I didn't argue that FXV was complete. I said that the existence of expansions doesn't equate to an incomplete original game, since you provided no other reasoning in your original post.
Tabata doesn't? Are you refering to the articles that misquoted him in the title, like this one?

Title: "Hajime Tabata: Final Fantasy XV is an incomplete game"

But in the interview it says:

“It’s not that users have an incomplete version of the game and that we’re filling in the gaps now. Rather, we’ve already released the complete version of the game, and what we’re doing is simply enhancing that experience for people, or providing different styles of play for characters.”
https://gametransfers.com/hajime-tabata-final-fantasy-xv-is-an-incomplete-game/

If not, what comment from Tabata are you refering to?

Ouch!

 

But as for your argument that Square-Enix are misleading about FFXIV, I can't agree with that either.

It says  "online multiplayer only" on the top right corner, it says "Online" under the Final Fantasy XIV title, and then you have the "30 days subscription with purchase" at the bottom. And that's not mentioning what it says on the back.

Now, anecdotal as it may, I know no one, online or "irl", who ever mistook this game for a traditional FF game.



Wright on 30 September 2017
deskpro2k3 said:

You know, you might consider FFXV to be complete, but not Tabata. Considering the surveys, and adding more story related updates and possible new season pass.

You also have to understand that most, if not everything, that has been added post-game is secondary for Tabata. He understands the main core component of the story is done; all he's doing now is adding supplementary experience, on his own words:

According to Tabata-san, the game released last year is what is considered “the main story,” while the character DLCs are a supplementary experience.

That being said, Tabata-san also mentioned that the team got a sense of what users want to see as future character DLCs thanks to a survey done in the spring. While they can’t do all of them, they definitely want to look into the possibility of creating character DLCs for the characters that are most highly requested.

FFXV's main story is basically complete in his eyes, and aside from adding the Kingsglaive sequences and some other thingy (like that strange reupdate of Ardyn/Noctis sequence in Chapter 13 which wasn't like that originally), Tabata does consider FFXV's story to be complete. He's expanding the universe, merely, which is why I know he won't adress any of the story's internal issues at this point, and why we get a "bestiary" with supplementary information instead of useful shit.



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TheBraveGallade on 30 September 2017

Though ro be fair, making a game has never been soexpensive as it is now, but its still 60$, and the only reason industry standerd has STAYED at 60 is because DLC.



deskpro2k3 on 30 September 2017
Hiku said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Oh FFS. tell me where it's misleading.

*shows proof*

The XIV part.

*shows rambling invalid nonesense*

 

 

What part do you not understand? MMORPG = Genre, Final Fantasy XIV = A Final Fantasy main line title.

It's an MMO, but before that it is RPG, and even before that it is a Final Fantasy that count as one of the main series that takes place far into the future of Ivalice, the same place where FFXII resides in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x38HE8YO8as

 

Look, you can believe whatever you want, I don't care anymore because you're wrong. I can't wait to see how fast you'd change your mind if FFXIV was single player. I guess you're just mad you can't pay the sub to experience this rich story.

/END



Aeolus451 on 30 September 2017
twintail said:
Aeolus451 said:

It's a really stupid move because it's showing gamers that SE's season passes are notthe same thing as season passes from other devs. If SE mirrors your attitude on this then they can go fuck themselves. Like I said season passes are supposed cover all of the major DLC the game has and not be exploited to milk more money out of us.

Dude please don't delude yourself. Other devs have done this before. Games like Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter. Others just increased the price of their original season pass, like fallout.

 

The reality is that this extra content SE are making for FF15 is not done free. It costs them money. It costs them resources. It costs them time and manpower.

They have zero reason to just include it in the existing season pass. If they do, good for them. Of course that would be great.

But now you are just acting entitled.

What does a price increase of a season pass have to do with what we're talking about? If SE decided to go through with either a second season pass or creating more major DLC that they charge for that's outside of the season pass, it would be a dick move because it would defeat the point of season passes and people's trust in them. They haven't done any of that so we'll see what happens. Like it's a dumb move to do and I don't think they'll do either.



Dota2Gamer on 30 September 2017

The problem with FF13 is:

1. They tried to put an "interesting" lore
2. That "interesting" becomes "complicated"
3. In the end, they end up with a game having 90% explanation about being chosen as L'cie by a Fal'cie because of something something which is too complicated to explain that the game has to be linear in order for the story to progress with no additional complications

The problem with FF15 is:

1. They tried to put an "interesting" lore
2. That "interesting" becomes "complicated"
3. In the end, though they made the game "somewhat" not linear, it caused lots of plotholes. Thus, they end up shipping an unfinished game.

Conclusion

1. Do not create an ambitious lore if you can't execute it properly.



outlawauron on 10 October 2017
deskpro2k3 said:
Hiku said:

A change in genre is a significant reason to have that reflected in the title. Last thing you want is for a fan of the mainline series to buy it and find out afterwards that it requires a monthly fee, and that you're forced into playing with a group of other players for certain missions (there were at least 5 such dungeons and 3 boss battles in the original XIV), and that the game is designed to be properly experienced when playing in a community, etc.
It's a Final Fantasy game, like Fantasy Star Online is a Fantasy Star game.

Anyway, call it mainline if you want. Just don't tell me that the number on the box determines that. It's because of people who think that way that companies put misleading titles on games.

In case you didn't freaking notice, I'm calling it the way the developers are calling it. So excuse me for trying to educate you. I've had enough of your bullshit speculations, so move on to the real topic of this thread.

You must be out if your damn mind to compare 14 to phantasy star online..

What? Phantasy Star Online is one of the best compliments you could ever ask for.

I say this as the only other person on VGC who still plays any endgame FF14.



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