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Forums - Sales Discussion - Media Create/Famitsu/Dengeki - 18th - 24th September 2017

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Soundwave said:
Monster Hunter V or VI (whatever they want to call it) is already in development for Switch, book it. Capcom is stupid, but they're not dumb enough to end the portable line of MH games. "World" will be the new series for PS4/XB1 home consoles.

Generally speaking though I think this series was going to see a fair sized decline this generation anyway.

Why do people keep saying "Monster Hunter 5"? World IS Monster Hunter 5. It's being made by the team that made 4, and they consider it a mainline entry. People need to get over that fact. It's either a Worlds port, or a continuation of the terribly lazy side series they've been doing for mobile for a few years. Considering how terrible Generations is, the best I could hope for is a Worlds port.

MHW is basically MH5 but if they release a "G" or enhanced version of it on Switch within 12 months of World releasing in Japan they might go with the name MH5 instead.  They'd probably feel it would make it sound more appealing to the japanese handheld fans and it would differentiate the portable version from the console one. 

the_dengle said:
Kerotan said:

Was cross play confirmed? 

I don’t know. I thought it was. It would be pretty stupid not to have cross-play for a series so dependent on its multiplayer community. Especially if they want the series to have a chance to grow in the West. Like I’m not even sure why they would bother with an XBO version if they can’t play with the Japanese fanbase at all.

I don't believe it was confirmed between ps4 and XB1 anyway.  And I doubt Sony are in any humour to assist Microsoft with a bigger playerbase after MS shunned Sony last gen. 

tbone51 said:
Kerotan said:

It will grow their player base in the west.  A port of MHW on Switch late next year in Japan or a mh5 using world's assets will make up for any lost sales in Japan.  

 

Their goals will be achieved. 

By this logic why call MHXX on switch a flop/bomb? It already achieved their goals with 3ds sales and we know MHXX on switch was profitable easily.

 

By capcoms expectations it was probably a bomb. Did capcom give expectations for it?  Regardless I'd never call it a bomb financially.  It was likely very profitable. 

RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:

It will grow their player base in the west.  A port of MHW on Switch late next year in Japan or a mh5 using world's assets will make up for any lost sales in Japan.  

Their goals will be achieved. 

That's an answer that already expects Monster Hunter World to fall short of Capcom's expectations and is looking for a way for Capcom to limit the damage.

It sounds like common sense.  Your angle sound like a way to post badly about it when it releases.  

 

If capcom don't do as I said then it's very likely Sony paid a pretty penny to exclude Nintendo and cover the lost sales. 



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I don't really even buy the "we couldn't make Street Fighter V without Sony's money!" excuse.

Street Fighter IV was not some small niche seller, it sold like freaking 8+ million copies. Gimme a break Capcom. That's enough to finance Street Fighter V, VI, VII, VIII, and IX. Get outta here with that bullshit. 

They thought Switch would bomb this generation and that they might as well put their money all in on Sony and get some exclusivity perks for it.

What they didn't realize at the time was Nintendo wasn't dead and that their PS4 endeavors would sell far less than they could have imagined.

The rumor/leak for Monster Hunter World on PS4 said basically as much ... Capcom started to panic after realizing the MH deal they made with Sony was probably a big mistake (after SFV bombed).

Sony's vision for the PS4 in Japan likely was if they could convince developers to back them fully, maybe just maybe they could bring back the home console market in Japan ala the PS2 days .... and Capcom likely got suckered into believing that vision. But it hasn't materialized ... PS4 is just another PS3 in Japan, OK sales, nothing special, and companies like Capcom that drank that Sony kool-aid are now paying the price.

Fortunately for Capcom they have a built-in "bail out" plan which is Monster Hunter 5 Switch. Capcom will never admit it, but that's the real reason MHW is not called MH5. It was an escape out just in case, especailly after the Street Fighter V debacle. Capcom has already destroyed one of their major IP this gen, they can't afford to do it to a second. 



Sooooooooo...

After all these pages I am going to be the only person to say it?

If Ultra Street Fighter II on Switch sold 8,000 units in its first week, no matter the circumstances, Capcom would probably not make another game for Switch again and people would accept that. That is not even considering sales expectations or install base of each platform. Nor it is taking into account that their two previous PS4 titles also failed to meet sales expectations...

I also believe Capcom is using the profits they make on their Switch efforts (minimum effort, max price, big profit margins) to fund PS4/XBOX One titles. Capcom needs to get it together today. They cannot afford to make any more mistakes. Monster Hunter World is what it is right now but going forward, I fully expect to see Switch titles left and right and PS4 support scaled back. I mean, if it were the other way around, people would expect the Switch support scaled (see: pulled entirely) back and PS4 support boosted.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:

Sooooooooo...

After all these pages I am going to be the only person to say it?

If Ultra Street Fighter II on Switch sold 8,000 units in its first week, no matter the circumstances, Capcom would probably not make another game for Switch again and people would accept that. That is not even considering sales expectations or install base of each platform. Nor it is taking into account that their two previous PS4 titles also failed to meet sales expectations...

I also believe Capcom is using the profits they make on their Switch efforts (minimum effort, max price, big profit margins) to fund PS4/XBOX One titles. Capcom needs to get it together today. They cannot afford to make any more mistakes. Monster Hunter World is what it is right now but going forward, I fully expect to see Switch titles left and right and PS4 support scaled back. I mean, if it were the other way around, people would expect the Switch support scaled (see: pulled entirely) back and PS4 support boosted.

Wow...didn't even think about that! Double standars amirite



RolStoppable said:
Kerotan said:

It sounds like common sense.  Your angle sound like a way to post badly about it when it releases.  

If capcom don't do as I said then it's very likely Sony paid a pretty penny to exclude Nintendo and cover the lost sales. 

If it's about talking badly about it, I am already doing it now because the exclusion of Switch is a bad business decision by virtue of Monster Hunter's success being grounded in its presence on portable consoles. All historic sales data for Monster Hunter makes it clear that local multiplayer plays a crucial role in the series' big success in Japan.

But really...

I said MHW won't meet Capcom's expectations, you also said it won't and one paragraph later you revised it to them meeting their goals. Decide on what you want to argue.

We don't know their expectations but we know it will most likely increase the western playerbase. 

 

Switch wasn't a thing when development started on world.  3DS obviously wasn't a viable option and they made a good call not putting it on the Wii U.  

 

As I said if switch gets a year later G version capcom played a blinder. 



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tbone51 said:
GProgrammer said:
POKKEN TOURNAMENT DX sold less than the Wii U version, now that was unexpected

As unexpected as splat2 outselling splat1 lifetime

That was certainly expected in fact I dont think anyone would think that splatoon 2 would not outsell splatoon 1. So do you still think splatoon 2 will sell 5 million in Japan?



GProgrammer said:
tbone51 said:

As unexpected as splat2 outselling splat1 lifetime

That was certainly expected in fact I dont think anyone would think that splatoon 2 would not outsell splatoon 1. So do you still think splatoon 2 will sell 5 million in Japan?

Hell yeah boi!!! Its at 20% already, by years end itll be at 40%



GhaudePhaede010 said:

Sooooooooo...

After all these pages I am going to be the only person to say it?

If Ultra Street Fighter II on Switch sold 8,000 units in its first week, no matter the circumstances, Capcom would probably not make another game for Switch again and people would accept that. That is not even considering sales expectations or install base of each platform. Nor it is taking into account that their two previous PS4 titles also failed to meet sales expectations...

I also believe Capcom is using the profits they make on their Switch efforts (minimum effort, max price, big profit margins) to fund PS4/XBOX One titles. Capcom needs to get it together today. They cannot afford to make any more mistakes. Monster Hunter World is what it is right now but going forward, I fully expect to see Switch titles left and right and PS4 support scaled back. I mean, if it were the other way around, people would expect the Switch support scaled (see: pulled entirely) back and PS4 support boosted.

Soooo true!



Pocky Lover Boy! 

Not bad for Pokken DX, lower than what it opened on the Wii U though (70,500 according to VG) but decent enough nonetheless.



Jranation said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

Sooooooooo...

After all these pages I am going to be the only person to say it?

If Ultra Street Fighter II on Switch sold 8,000 units in its first week, no matter the circumstances, Capcom would probably not make another game for Switch again and people would accept that. That is not even considering sales expectations or install base of each platform. Nor it is taking into account that their two previous PS4 titles also failed to meet sales expectations...

I also believe Capcom is using the profits they make on their Switch efforts (minimum effort, max price, big profit margins) to fund PS4/XBOX One titles. Capcom needs to get it together today. They cannot afford to make any more mistakes. Monster Hunter World is what it is right now but going forward, I fully expect to see Switch titles left and right and PS4 support scaled back. I mean, if it were the other way around, people would expect the Switch support scaled (see: pulled entirely) back and PS4 support boosted.

Soooo true!

They're not going to scale back ps4 support when it's so dominant WW. If they drop anything it will be xbox out and switch in. Ps4 is the defacto console for games this gen.