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SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because social justice has nothing to do with justice or equality. It is a sales pitch to get naive people to have over power to a select few. 

You've never been a minority, have you?  Try living a while as a women or person of color.  What you fear is that minorities will treat you the way your race/gender has treated them.

What I fear is being killed, dried by taxes and things like that... but SJWs here threat criminals as victims and want government to be bigger and suck more taxes... so there is plenty of reason to dislike SJW for me besides their censorship on ideas and speak that accomplish nothing at all.

Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

Threating someone with respect is all good, but not everyone deserves it. But case in point I was saying that using direct language instead of using high level language when the intent is the same, agression and etc to me is the same. As a writter I care a lot about the language and usage, but as a person I value the actions and intentions far more than the words used, so on politics I get nauseated with all the hidden insults in all the polite language used.

Who said anything about deserving respect.  You treat them with respect because disrespecting them gains you absolutely nothing.  This is just basic negotiating tactics.  The only time you disrespect someone is when you want a situation to go south.  

 Once you go down the desprect route you are closing the door to negotiation.  Politics is the game Trump is playing even though he wants to play it different.  The rules are different and how you conduct yourself is different.  That’s like a baseball player coming to the NBA thinking he will apply baseball rules to that sport.  It sounds silly and stupid and so does the approach Trump does within the office.   Also what Trump does is not direct language, its grade school immature language.  Would you in a meeting with CTO, CEO and high executive people use name calling to describe another customer, co worker etc.  Maybe this is how Trump runs his business but the US government isn’t a business.  This is why you do not put someone into a position he/she is not qualified for or even have the basic political skills to do the job effectively.  Having your evey man type of leader who does not know how to speak to other leaders is not effective.  What we have seen from Trump is that this is one of his biggest weakness.

And was Trump negotiating? No, he was threatening an enemy so any politeness or rudeness would achieve similar results.

The USA government (and other government) not being held as business is the main issue that make them totally ineficient use of money.

We have plenty of politicians here (and probably in USA as well) that in front of cameras talk very erudit but on private are worse than thugs talking. And as I said I care more about intent and action than to manner of speak (unless I'm writting my book).

Machiavellian said:
Superman4 said:

While I agree to some extent you have to look at history. How many Presidents have treated N Korea with white gloves? We pulled out weapons and agreed to pull out more for more cooperation. We gave Humanitarian aid which was diverted to Kims personal pockets and his missle programs. N Korea has skirted around sanctions for over a decade and shows no sign that they are willing to play ball with anyone. Without Nukes everyone leaves them alone and he has the chance to make his country great, instead he chooses to continue down the nuke path and pretty much gaurantee his demise. Nobody wants him to have nukes or build his military any more. I think China is starting to realize the more power he has the worse it is for them.

I think you are getting my position confused.  How we treat NK is totally different from how we convey what we will do.  I have no problems with Trump saying we will do whatever it takes to protect the US and our Allies.  I have a problem with him using grade school immature language to do so.  It accomplish nothing but only escalate an issue and also make it harder for negations.  

As to your point, saying and doing are 2 very different things.  One of Trump big issues is that he loves to throw threats but when pushed has showed to be very weak in action.  How many times has he threaten someone or group and when it was time to put up or shut up, he just shut up.  Threats to NK is worthless and if he would do his homework and understand the people he is threaten he would know this.  It really does not matter what we want NK to do because they have shone they will do whatever they want so if you are going to do something wasting breath trying to look tough and actually doing something is totally different.

What is the use and difference from conveying he will destroy the enemy country using college language or kids language?



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DonFerrari said:

And was Trump negotiating? No, he was threatening an enemy so any politeness or rudeness would achieve similar results.

The USA government (and other government) not being held as business is the main issue that make them totally ineficient use of money.

We have plenty of politicians here (and probably in USA as well) that in front of cameras talk very erudit but on private are worse than thugs talking. And as I said I care more about intent and action than to manner of speak (unless I'm writting my book).

Yes he was negotiating.  Do you believe he was just talking to the UN.  He was sending a direct message to NK.  Maybe you should read the book Art of War, NK is not an enemy until they are an enemy.  Right now they are a nation we disapprove of which is something totally different.  Battles are not won by threats and they definitely are not won by immature grade school language.  

 It doesn’t matter what you think or say in private, that’s why its private.  What you say and do in public is what get the job done.  I care little what Trump says or thinks when he is with his people.  When he is speaking and representing the US, he needs to speak with above 5th grade level proficiency.  He should conduct himself as if he has a clue to his audience and he should understand how to walk within the political circle of the job he won. 

Actually if the US government was run like Trump Business we would be bankrupt and owned by another government.  

Machiavellian said:

I think you are getting my position confused.  How we treat NK is totally different from how we convey what we will do.  I have no problems with Trump saying we will do whatever it takes to protect the US and our Allies.  I have a problem with him using grade school immature language to do so.  It accomplish nothing but only escalate an issue and also make it harder for negations.  

As to your point, saying and doing are 2 very different things.  One of Trump big issues is that he loves to throw threats but when pushed has showed to be very weak in action.  How many times has he threaten someone or group and when it was time to put up or shut up, he just shut up.  Threats to NK is worthless and if he would do his homework and understand the people he is threaten he would know this.  It really does not matter what we want NK to do because they have shone they will do whatever they want so if you are going to do something wasting breath trying to look tough and actually doing something is totally different.

What is the use and difference from conveying he will destroy the enemy country using college language or kids language?

Because he is not just talking to NK over the phone or with a group of people.  He is on the world stage represent the US government and his audience is much bigger.  Instead of running his business in some conference room making grade school statements, he is in front of the world represent US.  So yes, forgive me if I want the President of the United states to at least appear to be an adult.  Someone who knows the office, the audience and is looking for the respect of other nations instead of looking like the class clown in some high school movie.



SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because social justice has nothing to do with justice or equality. It is a sales pitch to get naive people to have over power to a select few. 

You've never been a minority, have you?  Try living a while as a women or person of color.  What you fear is that minorities will treat you the way your race/gender has treated them.

Who has ever lived both lifetimes to be able to compare the two?



Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

And was Trump negotiating? No, he was threatening an enemy so any politeness or rudeness would achieve similar results.

The USA government (and other government) not being held as business is the main issue that make them totally ineficient use of money.

We have plenty of politicians here (and probably in USA as well) that in front of cameras talk very erudit but on private are worse than thugs talking. And as I said I care more about intent and action than to manner of speak (unless I'm writting my book).

Yes he was negotiating.  Do you believe he was just talking to the UN.  He was sending a direct message to NK.  Maybe you should read the book Art of War, NK is not an enemy until they are an enemy.  Right now they are a nation we disapprove of which is something totally different.  Battles are not won by threats and they definitely are not won by immature grade school language.  

 It doesn’t matter what you think or say in private, that’s why its private.  What you say and do in public is what get the job done.  I care little what Trump says or thinks when he is with his people.  When he is speaking and representing the US, he needs to speak with above 5th grade level proficiency.  He should conduct himself as if he has a clue to his audience and he should understand how to walk within the political circle of the job he won. 

Actually if the US government was run like Trump Business we would be bankrupt and owned by another government.  

What is the use and difference from conveying he will destroy the enemy country using college language or kids language?

Because he is not just talking to NK over the phone or with a group of people.  He is on the world stage represent the US government and his audience is much bigger.  Instead of running his business in some conference room making grade school statements, he is in front of the world represent US.  So yes, forgive me if I want the President of the United states to at least appear to be an adult.  Someone who knows the office, the audience and is looking for the respect of other nations instead of looking like the class clown in some high school movie.

1) For you it may not be the enemy, do you know if for Trump it is or not? And also how much have US diplomacy and sweet talking done in 11 years in NK? So seems like Trump isn't doing much worse.

2) If someone speak on very low terms in private and high terms on public he is basically only hiding his true self in public.

3) I din't said to be run like Trump Business, but like business, in which it means create value and profits... also Trump increase his worth while politicians only increased USA debt.

4) Yes I know where he is, but you put that the language used would make difference on the outcome, it wouldn't the message was the important part.

KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

You've never been a minority, have you?  Try living a while as a women or person of color.  What you fear is that minorities will treat you the way your race/gender has treated them.

Who has ever lived both lifetimes to be able to compare the two?

Don't bother to. The life of the white man will always be much easier than anyone else.

Most people like to think they have the worse like and bigger problems than others, and they are the ones that usually end up quite surprised by those videos of people with big impairements fulfilling big things.



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KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

You've never been a minority, have you?  Try living a while as a women or person of color.  What you fear is that minorities will treat you the way your race/gender has treated them.

Who has ever lived both lifetimes to be able to compare the two?

I am a person of color, Im on the lighter side of the equation but thats besides the point. I am also a minority since I live in California.



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StarOcean said:
Aeolus451 said:

it wasn't too bad or anything but still.

"Why haven't you Americans gotten rid of him yet"

"Cause our education system is shit. This country will continue to elect morons like this until education is treated as a necessity rather than something you can do without"

That's not aimed at Trump supporters. Our education system is shit. And it allows 'politicians' like Trump and Hillary to get near a position neither were qualified to obtain. People aren't informed. During the election, this was only in my personal experience mind you, I saw people say, "I'm going to vote for Hillary cause she's a woman" and "I always vote Republican, so Im going to vote for Trump, even if I dont agree with him" and "Everyone else likes her so Im going to vote for Hillary too" and "I dont really listen to politics, but Trumps slogan says hes going to make America great again, so Im going to vote for him" ... this is my opinion, but I'd say none of those are well informed opinions of the people theyre voting for, and people like them should not be able to vote until they read up on the candidates. To be fair it was a toss up between a gun and a knife to kill yourself, so it wasn't a winning scenario either way. 

We won't get good people in office until our education is properly funded. Via schools and other places to learn about the politicians they may potentially elect. I dont think you disagree with me on this

I wish I wasn't taking this thread off course by asking this, but what do you think of Betsy DeVos?



DonFerrari said:
Machiavellian said:

1) For you it may not be the enemy, do you know if for Trump it is or not? And also how much have US diplomacy and sweet talking done in 11 years in NK? So seems like Trump isn't doing much worse.

2) If someone speak on very low terms in private and high terms on public he is basically only hiding his true self in public.

3) I din't said to be run like Trump Business, but like business, in which it means create value and profits... also Trump increase his worth while politicians only increased USA debt.

4) Yes I know where he is, but you put that the language used would make difference on the outcome, it wouldn't the message was the important part.

KLAMarine said:

Who has ever lived both lifetimes to be able to compare the two?

Don't bother to. The life of the white man will always be much easier than anyone else.

Most people like to think they have the worse like and bigger problems than others, and they are the ones that usually end up quite surprised by those videos of people with big impairements fulfilling big things.

LOL at the "The life of the white man will always be much easier than anyone else".  That is a complete BS statement if I’ve ever heard one. It’s not that black people or other nationalities have it harder or are treated unfairly, it’s that they put themselves in the situations to begin with. Yes you have racists but you have racists on all sides. Prison population has less white people because they commit less crimes proportionate to population.



Superman4 said:
KLAMarine said:

Who has ever lived both lifetimes to be able to compare the two?

I am a person of color, Im on the lighter side of the equation but thats besides the point. I am also a minority since I live in California.

Right. And how does this compare to the lifetimes you've spent living as a white man or black woman?



Is Trump President or CEO (Chief Executive Officer) of the US? It seems he uses those executive orders to shit all over the US.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Superman4 said:
DonFerrari said:

1) For you it may not be the enemy, do you know if for Trump it is or not? And also how much have US diplomacy and sweet talking done in 11 years in NK? So seems like Trump isn't doing much worse.

2) If someone speak on very low terms in private and high terms on public he is basically only hiding his true self in public.

3) I din't said to be run like Trump Business, but like business, in which it means create value and profits... also Trump increase his worth while politicians only increased USA debt.

4) Yes I know where he is, but you put that the language used would make difference on the outcome, it wouldn't the message was the important part.

Don't bother to. The life of the white man will always be much easier than anyone else.

Most people like to think they have the worse like and bigger problems than others, and they are the ones that usually end up quite surprised by those videos of people with big impairements fulfilling big things.

LOL at the "The life of the white man will always be much easier than anyone else".  That is a complete BS statement if I’ve ever heard one. It’s not that black people or other nationalities have it harder or are treated unfairly, it’s that they put themselves in the situations to begin with. Yes you have racists but you have racists on all sides. Prison population has less white people because they commit less crimes proportionate to population.

Yep, everyone faces their own harshes and it's quite hard to make it on a rational scale of suffering because people also have different fortitudes and outcomes.

A person that were homeless and became bilionary had it harsher than someone that were middleclass all life? You can only even try to decide after looking at both person full life in details.

Jumpin said:
Is Trump President or CEO (Chief Executive Officer) of the US? It seems he uses those executive orders to shit all over the US.

CiC - Commander in Chief



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

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Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."