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SpokenTruth said:
Aeolus451 said:

Because social justice has nothing to do with justice or equality. It is a sales pitch to get naive people to have over power to a select few. 

You've never been a minority, have you?  Try living a while as a women or person of color.  What you fear is that minorities will treat you the way your race/gender has treated them.

What I fear is being killed, dried by taxes and things like that... but SJWs here threat criminals as victims and want government to be bigger and suck more taxes... so there is plenty of reason to dislike SJW for me besides their censorship on ideas and speak that accomplish nothing at all.

Machiavellian said:
DonFerrari said:

Threating someone with respect is all good, but not everyone deserves it. But case in point I was saying that using direct language instead of using high level language when the intent is the same, agression and etc to me is the same. As a writter I care a lot about the language and usage, but as a person I value the actions and intentions far more than the words used, so on politics I get nauseated with all the hidden insults in all the polite language used.

Who said anything about deserving respect.  You treat them with respect because disrespecting them gains you absolutely nothing.  This is just basic negotiating tactics.  The only time you disrespect someone is when you want a situation to go south.  

 Once you go down the desprect route you are closing the door to negotiation.  Politics is the game Trump is playing even though he wants to play it different.  The rules are different and how you conduct yourself is different.  That’s like a baseball player coming to the NBA thinking he will apply baseball rules to that sport.  It sounds silly and stupid and so does the approach Trump does within the office.   Also what Trump does is not direct language, its grade school immature language.  Would you in a meeting with CTO, CEO and high executive people use name calling to describe another customer, co worker etc.  Maybe this is how Trump runs his business but the US government isn’t a business.  This is why you do not put someone into a position he/she is not qualified for or even have the basic political skills to do the job effectively.  Having your evey man type of leader who does not know how to speak to other leaders is not effective.  What we have seen from Trump is that this is one of his biggest weakness.

And was Trump negotiating? No, he was threatening an enemy so any politeness or rudeness would achieve similar results.

The USA government (and other government) not being held as business is the main issue that make them totally ineficient use of money.

We have plenty of politicians here (and probably in USA as well) that in front of cameras talk very erudit but on private are worse than thugs talking. And as I said I care more about intent and action than to manner of speak (unless I'm writting my book).

Machiavellian said:
Superman4 said:

While I agree to some extent you have to look at history. How many Presidents have treated N Korea with white gloves? We pulled out weapons and agreed to pull out more for more cooperation. We gave Humanitarian aid which was diverted to Kims personal pockets and his missle programs. N Korea has skirted around sanctions for over a decade and shows no sign that they are willing to play ball with anyone. Without Nukes everyone leaves them alone and he has the chance to make his country great, instead he chooses to continue down the nuke path and pretty much gaurantee his demise. Nobody wants him to have nukes or build his military any more. I think China is starting to realize the more power he has the worse it is for them.

I think you are getting my position confused.  How we treat NK is totally different from how we convey what we will do.  I have no problems with Trump saying we will do whatever it takes to protect the US and our Allies.  I have a problem with him using grade school immature language to do so.  It accomplish nothing but only escalate an issue and also make it harder for negations.  

As to your point, saying and doing are 2 very different things.  One of Trump big issues is that he loves to throw threats but when pushed has showed to be very weak in action.  How many times has he threaten someone or group and when it was time to put up or shut up, he just shut up.  Threats to NK is worthless and if he would do his homework and understand the people he is threaten he would know this.  It really does not matter what we want NK to do because they have shone they will do whatever they want so if you are going to do something wasting breath trying to look tough and actually doing something is totally different.

What is the use and difference from conveying he will destroy the enemy country using college language or kids language?



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