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Cartridges 381 78.56%
 
Optical discs 104 21.44%
 
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Pemalite said:
dharh said:

Which claim exactly? You didn't highlight what you are asking a link for.  If you mean a firmware update to play previous PS games I should think it's obvious.

That the Playstation 4's optical drive just requires a firmware update to support CD.

Unfortunately I can't give you a specs link that states CD-DA is possible with PS4 hardware.  However, if you understand the technology behind disc drive lasers and the various formats you would know that the hardware is not the limiting factor.  The software is the limiting factor why CD-DA is not playable on the PS4.

This link from reddit is the best I can do as far is corroborating why PS4 doesn't play CDs being a software issue and not a hardware/laser issue.  It'd be way too time consuming explaining laser tech and providing proof that blu-ray lasers are perfectly capable of reading CD-DA disc data if the software was there.



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Pemalite said:
Mr_No said:

Maybe for you. Personally, I prefer discs for the reasons below the comment you conveniently cropped. Also, people here are also mentioning NES/SNES/N64 cartridges, and the CD back then offered an improved quality. I still remember WWF War Zone on both PS1 and N64, and me hating the latter version.

Nothing to do with me.
NAND/ROM fabrication has increased in leaps and bounds since the Nintendo 64, the technology has NOT stood still.

And the sound quality is exactly the same as Optical Disk.
The main reason for reduced audio quality was to conserve space, but considering that concern is no longer an issue with 64GB-256GB capacities for carts now being possible... Well. You get the idea.
To put that into perspective... A Single layer Bluray disk is 25GB, Dual Layer, 50GB which is the most common capacities for consoles.
Triple and Quad-druple layers allow for 100 and 128GB respectively.

You're saying it like optical discs are stuck in prehistoric times when they have also advanced in leaps and bounds, which doesn't only apply for Blu-Ray discs. Sure, the argument here is for physical media for videogames, but advancements are being done everywhere. I mean, it's nice for a 256GB MiniSD to exist, but Sony and Panasonic already developed the Archival Disc, which can go above 1TB. Yes, yes, it's not applicated for videogames just yet, but I also don't think Nintendo will use a 256GB MicroSD card for a game just yet. For storage? Of course. For games? I don't think even current-gen consoles have games that big.

Also, I don't know why you get so hellbent on twisting and dismissing my personal opinion TWICE.  I just stated why I didn't like cartridges and how inconvenient I found them then and now. And by this:

Pemalite said:
Mr_No said:

I choose optical discs because they allow for larger capacities and a better sound quality

Not any more.

are you implying sound quality is not good on optical discs anymore when you said above:

Pemalite said:

And the sound quality is exactly the same as Optical Disk.

In the end, these are different storage mediums, both with its advantages and disadvantages. And frankly, I'm way too preocupied with other things than trying to defend my opinion past this point. I mean, you can reply if you want; you'll just be talking to yourself.



dharh said:

However, if you understand the technology behind disc drive lasers and the various formats you would know that the hardware is not the limiting factor.  The software is the limiting factor why CD-DA is not playable on the PS4.

Yes. I am new to technology.

dharh said:

This link from reddit is the best I can do as far is corroborating why PS4 doesn't play CDs being a software issue and not a hardware/laser issue.  It'd be way too time consuming explaining laser tech and providing proof that blu-ray lasers are perfectly capable of reading CD-DA disc data if the software was there.

Well. Reddit isn't evidence which is the sad reality.

BDROM and DVD/CD operate at different wavelengths and the Bluray specification doesn't gaurentee backwards compatability.
I know Sony promised to look at adding the feature when the console launched, but it has pretty much been silent on the issue, if there is a hardware limitation, then that would explain allot.

Mr_No said:

You're saying it like optical discs are stuck in prehistoric times when they have also advanced in leaps and bounds

That is not what I said at all, nor was that my intention to convey such a message if you somehow garnered that from my paragraph.

Mr_No said:

I mean, it's nice for a 256GB MiniSD to exist, but Sony and Panasonic already developed the Archival Disc, which can go above 1TB. Yes, yes, it's not applicated for videogames just yet, but I also don't think Nintendo will use a 256GB MicroSD card for a game just yet. For storage? Of course. For games? I don't think even current-gen consoles have games that big.


Stacked TLC NAND can scale to over a terabyte as well.
Also, not a technology destined for the video game market anytime soon.

Also, Nintendo isn't using MicroSD cards in their cart. They are using ROM, not NAND.

Mr_No said:

are you implying sound quality is not good on optical discs anymore when you said above:

How the hell did you come to that conclusion when my statement was: "And the sound quality is exactly the same as Optical Disk."


Mr_No said:

In the end, these are different storage mediums, both with its advantages and disadvantages.

Correct. Both mediums do have their advantages and disadvantages.
I don't care about your opinion. I care about the accuracy of points that are being presented.

Mr_No said:

And frankly, I'm way too preocupied with other things than trying to defend my opinion past this point. I mean, you can reply if you want; you'll just be talking to yourself.

Apparently talking to myself is the only way to have an intellectual discussion.




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Digital for me, I find physical formats annoying most of the time. That said; the Switch works really well with cartridges, even if the loading times are still quite long (which is more due to RAM and other limitations in loading assets than the speed of the medium itself).

If given the choice though, I take digital any day of the week, but with the Switch having storage space fit for a 2005 device and Sony having the slowest servers possible, basically having info packs towed by lame donkeys, this is is only a real option on PC for now for me.



Pemalite said:
Mr_No said:

In the end, these are different storage mediums, both with its advantages and disadvantages.

Correct. Both mediums do have their advantages and disadvantages.
I don't care about your opinion. I care about the accuracy of points that are being presented.

Mr_No said:

And frankly, I'm way too preocupied with other things than trying to defend my opinion past this point. I mean, you can reply if you want; you'll just be talking to yourself.

Apparently talking to myself is the only way to have an intellectual discussion.

Then why respond to my comment on first place if it's an opinion you care little about? Also...





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Cards. It's one of the big reasons why the Switch has so much appeal to me. Cards just have a better feel to them than discs.



Mr_No said:
Pemalite said:

Not any more.

Maybe for you. Personally, I prefer discs for the reasons below the comment you conveniently cropped. Also, people here are also mentioning NES/SNES/N64 cartridges, and the CD back then offered an improved quality. I still remember WWF War Zone on both PS1 and N64, and me hating the latter version.

That's because War Zone wasn't very good period.  WWF No Mercy on N64 was better than any wrestling game on PS1.  

Ranks # 1 on this list, in fact (WCW/NWO Revenge which was also very good placed 6th.) :

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/wrestling/263351/the-20-best-wrestling-games-of-all-time



Mandalore76 said:
Mr_No said:

Maybe for you. Personally, I prefer discs for the reasons below the comment you conveniently cropped. Also, people here are also mentioning NES/SNES/N64 cartridges, and the CD back then offered an improved quality. I still remember WWF War Zone on both PS1 and N64, and me hating the latter version.

That's because War Zone wasn't very good period.  WWF No Mercy on N64 was better than any wrestling game on PS1.  

Ranks # 1 on this list, in fact (WCW/NWO Revenge which was also very good placed 6th.) :

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/wrestling/263351/the-20-best-wrestling-games-of-all-time

I really liked War Zone myself actually. And I definitely prefer Smackdown 1 and 2 over the AKI N64 games which were slower paced.



Mandalore76 said:
Mr_No said:

Maybe for you. Personally, I prefer discs for the reasons below the comment you conveniently cropped. Also, people here are also mentioning NES/SNES/N64 cartridges, and the CD back then offered an improved quality. I still remember WWF War Zone on both PS1 and N64, and me hating the latter version.

That's because War Zone wasn't very good period.  WWF No Mercy on N64 was better than any wrestling game on PS1.  

Ranks # 1 on this list, in fact (WCW/NWO Revenge which was also very good placed 6th.) :

http://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/wrestling/263351/the-20-best-wrestling-games-of-all-time

That I will agree with you on. I did love Smackdown 1 and 2 a lot, but WWF No Mercy and WrestleMania 2000 were and still are my favorite wrestling games. Even WCW/NWO Revenge. War Zone wasn't good on any platform, though.



I think people are forgetting one thing: if you own a game in digital, you don't actually OWN the game, unlike a phisical game...
as for me I prefer carts because I hate the loading to HDD bulshit disks do. if you are going to do that, might as well go digital...