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The amount of mental gimnastic to downgrade the success of switch we are gonna have to read this next years is gonna be insane.

Personally I'm glad Switch is doing good but those numbers could be much higher, can't wait until the stock issues are over.



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Fantastic for the industry in Japan. I knew it would do well, but it could break all expectations in the coming years.



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are wrong, it is for only handheld console when you have pretty good phones or tablets for $150.

Wii U launch just year earlier before PS4/XB1 with $300 price point. Switch has same launch price like Wii U, $50 higher price point than Wii and $100 higher than GC.

Even with included inflation $300 would be too much for handheld in any case (again, 3DS needed price cut to $170 in order to start selling, PS4 is $300 and its less than 4 years on market, and its most popular and strongest console on market, 3rd party games looks/works better than on other consoles), despite fact that Switch is strong for handheld, still would be too much for only handheld, power is not what is selling Nintendo hardware, and definatly not reason why Switch is selling or why 3DS were selling or why Vita didnt sell.

Switch is selling good on first place in Japan beacuse its partily handheld and we all know that Japan loves handhelds, but thats not only reason why is selling so good and why is so much popular, full home console mode, tabletop mode, local multiplayer even in portable mode, and two Joy Cons for local multiplayer out of box, give to Switch much bigger value than Switch would have its just a $300 handheld, and same goes for sales. So Switch would have much worse sales that it is now if its just a handheld, even in Japan, beacuse it would have much worse value for $300 price point than it has curently, Switch like hybrid device with two controllers out of box for local multiplayer have pretty good value for its price point and thats reason why has so good sales.

If 3DS had home console mode and two controllers for local multiplayer out of box, and had around $100 higher price point, I wouldn't so sure that would have better sales than it had now. I am pretty sure that only handheld Switch for around $100 lower price point than current Switch version will be more popular than current version of Switch in Japan.

If 3DS had all those things and was powerful (it was very weak)  then it would have had much higher demand at launch. 

 

You are on the same page as me on one thing though.  That Switch is selling more because it's a handheld + home console. And that's why I always say it's sales should be compared to another gens handheld + console and not just one.  

 

Those past consoles didn't have the hybrid feature to benefit their sales. And if it had stock Switch would be selling even more making those comparisons make even more sense. 

 

You can pretend Switch isn't priced like a portable but in reality it is.  it's priced like a powerful portable not a weak one. You could also argue it's priced like a weak home console which it is.  Because at the end of the day it's a very powerful portable but a weak home console. 

I am not so sure if it would have around $100 higher price point, again, 3DS start selling after price cut to $170.

I agree that Switch is selling because hole concept of hybrid, not just because it's handheld side, but that doesn't mean that sales need to be compared to handheld + console sales, Switch is still one device and one platform.

Yes, Switch is real first hybrid console.

I don't pretend anything, but you can keep ignoring facts, fact is that Switch has price point of Nintendo home console, not handheld, thats clear fact. Only 3DS had launch price point of $250 and that was too much for handheld and 3DS didnt sell at that price point, so Nintendo need to have very fast huge price cut in order that 3DS start selling. At end of day, Switch is hybrid and has pretty good price for hybrid device that act like real home console and real handheld with two controllers for multiplayer out of box, but $300 for only handheld device would be too much in any case and despite power, and such a device wouldn't sell nearly as Switch is selling currently or would be nearly popular like it is.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

If 3DS had all those things and was powerful (it was very weak)  then it would have had much higher demand at launch. 

 

You are on the same page as me on one thing though.  That Switch is selling more because it's a handheld + home console. And that's why I always say it's sales should be compared to another gens handheld + console and not just one.  

 

Those past consoles didn't have the hybrid feature to benefit their sales. And if it had stock Switch would be selling even more making those comparisons make even more sense. 

 

You can pretend Switch isn't priced like a portable but in reality it is.  it's priced like a powerful portable not a weak one. You could also argue it's priced like a weak home console which it is.  Because at the end of the day it's a very powerful portable but a weak home console. 

I am not so sure if it would have around $100 higher price point, again, 3DS start selling after price cut to $170.

I agree that Switch is selling because hole concept of hybrid, not just because it's handheld side, but that doesn't mean that sales need to be compared to handheld + console sales, Switch is still one device and one platform.

Yes, Switch is real first hybrid console.

I don't pretend anything, but you can keep ignoring facts, fact is that Switch has price point of Nintendo home console, not handheld, thats clear fact. Only 3DS had launch price point of $250 and that was too much for handheld and 3DS didnt sell at that price point, so Nintendo need to have very fast huge price cut in order that 3DS start selling. At end of day, Switch is hybrid and has pretty good price for hybrid device that act like real home console and real handheld with two controllers for multiplayer out of box, but $300 for only handheld device would be too much in any case and despite power, and such a device wouldn't sell nearly as Switch is selling currently or would be nearly popular like it is.

You keep ignoring a key point.  If 3DS was a very powerful handheld and not a weak handheld it could have sold much better at launch.  And if they never had a Wii U and all its games went to the more powerful 3DS instead it would sell much better.  if it had a home console mode like the Switch,  again it would sell better.  

 

Switch is one device but it's actually 2 platforms.  portable + home.  It's replacing the Wii U and 3DS so of course it should be compared to both. It will get both platforms games. Only comparing to one is not a fair comparison. 

 

And for your last point,  fact is Switch ain't just a handheld or a home console.  It doesn't need to be priced as either.  It's priced as a hybrid and for consumers today it's price is very fair and not expensive. 

 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

I am not so sure if it would have around $100 higher price point, again, 3DS start selling after price cut to $170.

I agree that Switch is selling because hole concept of hybrid, not just because it's handheld side, but that doesn't mean that sales need to be compared to handheld + console sales, Switch is still one device and one platform.

Yes, Switch is real first hybrid console.

I don't pretend anything, but you can keep ignoring facts, fact is that Switch has price point of Nintendo home console, not handheld, thats clear fact. Only 3DS had launch price point of $250 and that was too much for handheld and 3DS didnt sell at that price point, so Nintendo need to have very fast huge price cut in order that 3DS start selling. At end of day, Switch is hybrid and has pretty good price for hybrid device that act like real home console and real handheld with two controllers for multiplayer out of box, but $300 for only handheld device would be too much in any case and despite power, and such a device wouldn't sell nearly as Switch is selling currently or would be nearly popular like it is.

You keep ignoring a key point.  If 3DS was a very powerful handheld and not a weak handheld it could have sold much better at launch.  And if they never had a Wii U and all its games went to the more powerful 3DS instead it would sell much better.  if it had a home console mode like the Switch,  again it would sell better.  

 

Switch is one device but it's actually 2 platforms.  portable + home.  It's replacing the Wii U and 3DS so of course it should be compared to both. It will get both platforms games. Only comparing to one is not a fair comparison. 

 

And for your last point,  fact is Switch ain't just a handheld or a home console.  It doesn't need to be priced as either.  It's priced as a hybrid and for consumers today it's price is very fair and not expensive. 

 

No, actually you are again ignoring facts, power is not what selling Nintendo hardware, and reason why 3DS didnt sold at launch because it has $250 price point, and bigger power usually means bigger price point and Nintendo always had more affordable price point of their hardware. Vita was way more powerful than 3DS and failed. Its hard to talk what would be if Wii U didn't exist, or if 3DS would stronger and much more expensive, but fact is that 3DS needed huge price cut to $170 to start selling.

Again you are wrong, depite point its one unifeded platform, Switch is still one platform not two platforms. Wii U and 3DS are two totally different platforms, they are two totally different consoles, two totally different price points, they had two different versions and revisons (well Wii U didnt becuse failed and had shorter life, but 3DS had 6 of them), they had two lineups of games, they had two separate brands, they had two two separates marketing...but despite fact that Switch is a hybrid device, it will have just one all those things so definatly its not best comparision Wii U + 3DS. Especially because Switch doesn't need to have sales of 3DS + Wii U to be considered for success, Switch can easily sell much less and yet to bring Nintendo much bigger profit, beacuse Switch is selling from launch with profit compared to Wii U and 3DS.

Switch doesn't have price point of handheld and has price point similar like Nintendo home console and thats fact, but it doesn't need to have price point like either or it can have price point like either, it doesn't really matters, it has price like it is and I agree that $300 for Switch and value Switch offers is pretty good.



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The fact that the PS4 is doing as well as it is in Japan is the bigger surprise here, because it seemed the japanese had all but sworn off home consoles at this point. Everybody knows that portable + Japan will always work, that's a no-brainer.
I'm not trying to detract from the Switch's success, it has been a great launch right from the gate. It will be interesting to see what kind of legs it will have after the initial excitement is done and the hardcore fans have all gotten their machines. Remember, it hasn't even surpassed the Wii U yet ;)



Goodnightmoon said:
Maynard_Tool said:
So, everyone was calli g doomed for the swith before launched. Now, suddenly, everybody knew it would do great.....

Seeing some of the excuses people are using though... so much fun :)

Yeah that's the fun part, to see people changing their arguments and using the worst possible excuses once they are proven wrong, and some are ALWAYS proven wrong, which has a lot of merit because is hard to be always wrong.

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!



kazuyamishima said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yeah that's the fun part, to see people changing their arguments and using the worst possible excuses once they are proven wrong, and some are ALWAYS proven wrong, which has a lot of merit because is hard to be always wrong.

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!

A girl has a list of names

 

Give me those names of people who claimed such a thing. We shall punish them!



kazuyamishima said:
Goodnightmoon said:

Yeah that's the fun part, to see people changing their arguments and using the worst possible excuses once they are proven wrong, and some are ALWAYS proven wrong, which has a lot of merit because is hard to be always wrong.

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!

Yeah funny

Specially cause that never happened 

Stop making things up




tbone51 said:
kazuyamishima said:

Yeah and remember that a lot of people called the PS4 will be Doomed after the release of the switch??

Or that the PS4 will be Doomed because of the release of the Xone X?

 

yeah funny thing!!

A girl has a list of names

 

Give me those names of people who claimed such a thing. We shall punish them!

Hard to give a list of names of something that never happened, maybe he saw a troll once saying something similar and wants to believe that was a general opinion.