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fatslob-:O said:
Miyamotoo said:

Tegra X2 is 16nm and compared to Tegra X1 that is in Switch it's much more energy efficient and has some other improvements. Switch revisions will probably likely use Tegra X2.

Tegra X2 only improves the maximum GPU frequency by 12% within similar TDP range ... 

TSMC's 16nm is actually 20nm with their FinFET technology ... (Tegra X2 in comparison to Tegra X1 is a dud in terms of efficiency improvements) 

Maximum GPU frequency doesn't tell us how much TDP range would be in with Switch clocks.

But this is intresting:

"In a bit of a departure from the TX1, NVIDIA is canonizing two performance modes on the TX2: Max-Q and Max-P. Max-Q is the company’s name for TX2’s energy efficiency mode; at 7.5W, this mode clocks the Parker SoC for efficiency over performance – essentially placing it right before the bend in the power/performance curve – with NVIDIA claiming that this mode offers 2x the energy efficiency of the Jetson TX1."



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Nautilus said:
The only kind of revision that I could see happening is a stronger Switch, that could also be thinner.But this revision would only improve:Battery life, since the components used would be more efficient and smaller, allowing for more space for the battery.
Better screen resolution for the Seitch own screen, being able to go to 1080 for example.
And overall better stability and resolution bumps for games, both in handheld mode and TV mode, due to the Switch being stronger.
And thats it.No Switch mini or Switch TV will happen, because the Seitch is a hybrid at its core, and killing either part of it will not only confuse the customers, but it would be an outright bad decision.

You are wrong, 2DS didn't confuse anybody and wasnt bad decision (despite ists not DS and dont have 3D), same would be with Switch Mini/Pocket, you have regular Switch but you would also had cheaper, smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, there is no any confusion.

Smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play is almost certain thing when 3DS dies (probably will be 1st Switch revision), if some people here think that Nintendo will relase onother seperate handheld platform thats not part of Switch, there are very wrong. People need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.



Slarvax said:
If people get confused by joycon sizes, then they might as well buy a Wii U Pro Controller for the Switch and wonder why it doesn't work. And that wouldn't stop Nintendo either way.

Revisions will happen for multiple reasons. In a few years, there'll be more power/cost-efficient components for the system (screens, batteries, CPUs, GPUs), and there's no way Nintendo will ignore that. Heck, we already see it with Sony and MS home consoles constantly (PS4/3/2 slim, Xbox One S and whatever the 360 had).

I get what you're saying. I think it's ridiculous to suggest that Nintendo won't make a Switch that takes advantages in advances in technology to create a "New Nintendo Switch" model that has a better battery life, or can play docked mode for a reasonable amount of time on battery power. I think it's a given that something like that will happen eventually. I mean, why wouldn't they?

I think what the OP is really trying to get at is that he doesn't think that Nintendo is going to mess with the dimensions of Joycons, nor exclude joycons, and I think there's a lot of merit to that. I think the joycons sets a limitation to what revisions or models Nintendo will release. I mean the device is called the "Switch" its fair to assume that any "Switch" is going to be able to "switch" between a home use and a portable use, and between. This to me, means that it is unlikely that Nintendo will release a model without detachable joycons, or require joycons of a different size.

A 3DS replacement on the other hand.... :) let's save that one for another time shall we?



While none of these may emerge, that does not mean the Switch will not have revisions or variations -- this is ridiculous to argue. Switch TV won't happen because there is already a Switch TV that is also portable... and it is called the Switch.

But a Switch Pro with improved specs? Sounds like a strong possibility. An improved dock? Yes, again. A Switch Mini?
Still a possibility with nondetachable controllers. An upgrade on the current some years down the road with new hardware but full compatibility? Yes, again.

Remember, Nintendo this time is buying the chip from NVidia. There is zero incentive to keep an old tech around for very long when NVidia will be able to match the performance with 100% compatibility, while reducing costs. Nintendo will revise the system, and if anything, they will try to turn it into an ecosystem. The more devices that are compatible with Switch software, the better for Nintendo.



Saying something can't happen is usually the first step to it happening. I personally favor a Switch that simply doesn't come with a dock, though.



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archer9234 said:
Nautilus said:
The only kind of revision that I could see happening is a stronger Switch, that could also be thinner.But this revision would only improve:Battery life, since the components used would be more efficient and smaller, allowing for more space for the battery.
Better screen resolution for the Seitch own screen, being able to go to 1080 for example.
And overall better stability and resolution bumps for games, both in handheld mode and TV mode, due to the Switch being stronger.
And thats it.No Switch mini or Switch TV will happen, because the Seitch is a hybrid at its core, and killing either part of it will not only confuse the customers, but it would be an outright bad decision.

Just like how the 2DS confused killed the 3DS.

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Miyamotoo said:
Nautilus said:
The only kind of revision that I could see happening is a stronger Switch, that could also be thinner.But this revision would only improve:Battery life, since the components used would be more efficient and smaller, allowing for more space for the battery.
Better screen resolution for the Seitch own screen, being able to go to 1080 for example.
And overall better stability and resolution bumps for games, both in handheld mode and TV mode, due to the Switch being stronger.
And thats it.No Switch mini or Switch TV will happen, because the Seitch is a hybrid at its core, and killing either part of it will not only confuse the customers, but it would be an outright bad decision.

You are wrong, 2DS didn't confuse anybody and wasnt bad decision (despite ists not DS and dont have 3D), same would be with Switch Mini/Pocket, you have regular Switch but you would also had cheaper, smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, there is no any confusion.

Smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play is almost certain thing when 3DS dies (probably will be 1st Switch revision), if some people here think that Nintendo will relase onother seperate handheld platform thats not part of Switch, there are very wrong. People need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.

And if price is an issue(since size is not a issue, given that people are more than accoustemed now to carry diveses that are larger than their pockets, and always carry some kind of backpack), when the 3DS is discontinnued, the price for a Switch will probably not only be in the range of 200 to 250(with used Switches going for lower than that), but they will also have good bundles.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

A smaller Switch will still be able to connect to the TV.

A Switch with a bigger screen wouldn't require a new model. Nintendo/3rd parties could make any size portable screen for Switch to slot into.

A new Switch isn't going to run at docked speeds in portable mode. It will all go into battery life.



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Nautilus said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are wrong, 2DS didn't confuse anybody and wasnt bad decision (despite ists not DS and dont have 3D), same would be with Switch Mini/Pocket, you have regular Switch but you would also had cheaper, smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, there is no any confusion.

Smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play is almost certain thing when 3DS dies (probably will be 1st Switch revision), if some people here think that Nintendo will relase onother seperate handheld platform thats not part of Switch, there are very wrong. People need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.

And if price is an issue(since size is not a issue, given that people are more than accoustemed now to carry diveses that are larger than their pockets, and always carry some kind of backpack), when the 3DS is discontinnued, the price for a Switch will probably not only be in the range of 200 to 250(with used Switches going for lower than that), but they will also have good bundles.

Doesn't really matters, 3D was main feature of 3DS, not to mention DS screen form factor and design, and Nintendo ditch both things with 2DS. Why!? Because they wanted to offer 3DS platform and lower price point, and they know there will not be any confusion. Switch concept is difrent, but that doesnt mean that Nintendo cant relase smaller Switch at lower price point just for handheld play. And, there want be any confusion, much smaller price point (around $100 less than regualar Switch), much smaller box, point that cant be played at home on TV, while regular Switch will still be around $100 more expensive, big box, comes with dock and two detachable Joycons.

When 3DS dies price will be big issue in any case for Nintendo, beacuse 3DS curently has price point from $80-200, while Switch is $300, when 3DS dies Nintendo will need lower price point $150-200 instead of 3DS, and Switch Mini/Pocket will perfectly fit there, especially because current Switch isn't exactly most practical for people who prefer only handheld play (its biger and bettery life isnt great). Not to mentione that some same people intend to buy multiple versions of hardware, you have plenty of 3DS owners that have 2 ore more 3DS units.

Also you need to consider that Nintendo with revisions not that just only have different price points and offer different types of revisions that suits for different type of people, but they constantly busting sales evre new revision and extends life of platform. And like I wrote, oeople need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

Switch Mini/Pocket actually makes most sense with all that on mind, and I am sure we will have one, and probably Switch Mini/Pocket will be first revision that Switch will receive.



Pyro as Bill said:
A smaller Switch will still be able to connect to the TV.

A Switch with a bigger screen wouldn't require a new model. Nintendo/3rd parties could make any size portable screen for Switch to slot into.

A new Switch isn't going to run at docked speeds in portable mode. It will all go into battery life.

I could with Tegra X2, docked speeds even in portable mode and 1080p screen.