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archer9234 said:
Nautilus said:
The only kind of revision that I could see happening is a stronger Switch, that could also be thinner.But this revision would only improve:Battery life, since the components used would be more efficient and smaller, allowing for more space for the battery.
Better screen resolution for the Seitch own screen, being able to go to 1080 for example.
And overall better stability and resolution bumps for games, both in handheld mode and TV mode, due to the Switch being stronger.
And thats it.No Switch mini or Switch TV will happen, because the Seitch is a hybrid at its core, and killing either part of it will not only confuse the customers, but it would be an outright bad decision.

Just like how the 2DS confused killed the 3DS.

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Miyamotoo said:
Nautilus said:
The only kind of revision that I could see happening is a stronger Switch, that could also be thinner.But this revision would only improve:Battery life, since the components used would be more efficient and smaller, allowing for more space for the battery.
Better screen resolution for the Seitch own screen, being able to go to 1080 for example.
And overall better stability and resolution bumps for games, both in handheld mode and TV mode, due to the Switch being stronger.
And thats it.No Switch mini or Switch TV will happen, because the Seitch is a hybrid at its core, and killing either part of it will not only confuse the customers, but it would be an outright bad decision.

You are wrong, 2DS didn't confuse anybody and wasnt bad decision (despite ists not DS and dont have 3D), same would be with Switch Mini/Pocket, you have regular Switch but you would also had cheaper, smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, there is no any confusion.

Smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play is almost certain thing when 3DS dies (probably will be 1st Switch revision), if some people here think that Nintendo will relase onother seperate handheld platform thats not part of Switch, there are very wrong. People need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.

And if price is an issue(since size is not a issue, given that people are more than accoustemed now to carry diveses that are larger than their pockets, and always carry some kind of backpack), when the 3DS is discontinnued, the price for a Switch will probably not only be in the range of 200 to 250(with used Switches going for lower than that), but they will also have good bundles.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

A smaller Switch will still be able to connect to the TV.

A Switch with a bigger screen wouldn't require a new model. Nintendo/3rd parties could make any size portable screen for Switch to slot into.

A new Switch isn't going to run at docked speeds in portable mode. It will all go into battery life.



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Nautilus said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are wrong, 2DS didn't confuse anybody and wasnt bad decision (despite ists not DS and dont have 3D), same would be with Switch Mini/Pocket, you have regular Switch but you would also had cheaper, smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play, there is no any confusion.

Smaller and cheaper Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play is almost certain thing when 3DS dies (probably will be 1st Switch revision), if some people here think that Nintendo will relase onother seperate handheld platform thats not part of Switch, there are very wrong. People need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.

And if price is an issue(since size is not a issue, given that people are more than accoustemed now to carry diveses that are larger than their pockets, and always carry some kind of backpack), when the 3DS is discontinnued, the price for a Switch will probably not only be in the range of 200 to 250(with used Switches going for lower than that), but they will also have good bundles.

Doesn't really matters, 3D was main feature of 3DS, not to mention DS screen form factor and design, and Nintendo ditch both things with 2DS. Why!? Because they wanted to offer 3DS platform and lower price point, and they know there will not be any confusion. Switch concept is difrent, but that doesnt mean that Nintendo cant relase smaller Switch at lower price point just for handheld play. And, there want be any confusion, much smaller price point (around $100 less than regualar Switch), much smaller box, point that cant be played at home on TV, while regular Switch will still be around $100 more expensive, big box, comes with dock and two detachable Joycons.

When 3DS dies price will be big issue in any case for Nintendo, beacuse 3DS curently has price point from $80-200, while Switch is $300, when 3DS dies Nintendo will need lower price point $150-200 instead of 3DS, and Switch Mini/Pocket will perfectly fit there, especially because current Switch isn't exactly most practical for people who prefer only handheld play (its biger and bettery life isnt great). Not to mentione that some same people intend to buy multiple versions of hardware, you have plenty of 3DS owners that have 2 ore more 3DS units.

Also you need to consider that Nintendo with revisions not that just only have different price points and offer different types of revisions that suits for different type of people, but they constantly busting sales evre new revision and extends life of platform. And like I wrote, oeople need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

Switch Mini/Pocket actually makes most sense with all that on mind, and I am sure we will have one, and probably Switch Mini/Pocket will be first revision that Switch will receive.



Pyro as Bill said:
A smaller Switch will still be able to connect to the TV.

A Switch with a bigger screen wouldn't require a new model. Nintendo/3rd parties could make any size portable screen for Switch to slot into.

A new Switch isn't going to run at docked speeds in portable mode. It will all go into battery life.

I could with Tegra X2, docked speeds even in portable mode and 1080p screen.



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You're discounting nintendo's history with handhelds which the NS basically is.



Miyamotoo said:
Nautilus said:

The difference between the 3DS and the Switch is that the 3D was, for most of its time, an useless feature.Thats why the 2DS was not an issue at all.The Switch capacity of switching between home and handheld form is another story completely.Its something far more fundemental than the 3D ever was.Therein lies the difference and why I believe something like the Switch mini will never happen.

And if price is an issue(since size is not a issue, given that people are more than accoustemed now to carry diveses that are larger than their pockets, and always carry some kind of backpack), when the 3DS is discontinnued, the price for a Switch will probably not only be in the range of 200 to 250(with used Switches going for lower than that), but they will also have good bundles.

Doesn't really matters, 3D was main feature of 3DS, not to mention DS screen form factor and design, and Nintendo ditch both things with 2DS. Why!? Because they wanted to offer 3DS platform and lower price point, and they know there will not be any confusion. Switch concept is difrent, but that doesnt mean that Nintendo cant relase smaller Switch at lower price point just for handheld play. And, there want be any confusion, much smaller price point (around $100 less than regualar Switch), much smaller box, point that cant be played at home on TV, while regular Switch will still be around $100 more expensive, big box, comes with dock and two detachable Joycons.

When 3DS dies price will be big issue in any case for Nintendo, beacuse 3DS curently has price point from $80-200, while Switch is $300, when 3DS dies Nintendo will need lower price point $150-200 instead of 3DS, and Switch Mini/Pocket will perfectly fit there, especially because current Switch isn't exactly most practical for people who prefer only handheld play (its biger and bettery life isnt great). Not to mentione that some same people intend to buy multiple versions of hardware, you have plenty of 3DS owners that have 2 ore more 3DS units.

Also you need to consider that Nintendo with revisions not that just only have different price points and offer different types of revisions that suits for different type of people, but they constantly busting sales evre new revision and extends life of platform. And like I wrote, oeople need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

Switch Mini/Pocket actually makes most sense with all that on mind, and I am sure we will have one, and probably Switch Mini/Pocket will be first revision that Switch will receive.

First of all, you are making ALOT of assumptions here.Big leaps in logic.Like when the 3DS finally dies, Nintendp would need to lower the Switch price to 150 - 200.Why is that necessary?The most popular 3DS version is the one that costs 200 dollars or something really close to that, and the 3DS is a far inferior product than the Switch(in terms of what the hardware itself offers).Its the same thing that people said back at January and February,that the Switch might have a hard time selling at the 300 dollars back when it launched.And we all know how that turned out to be.

And it does matter.3D was a big flop for Nintendo(the feautre itself).No developer used it effectivelly, and even Nintendo barely touched it.Worse of all, pratically nobody used the 3D in the games.Not to mention that it contained health risks for children.All in all, it was a failed idea.The Switch concept of being a hybrid console is a very different thing.Its something widely accepted as extremely smart, and is part to the identity to the console, much more than the 3D ever was for the 3DS.Saying that this distinction doesnt matter is the same thing as saying that PSVR or any kind of other VR will fail because the Virtual Boy, one of the first VR inspired products, has failed.Its a stupid comparison, because the devices have managed to implement their features with different levels of success.

And the 2DS having a different form factor than the DS is nonsensical.What the hell the design of the products has anything to do with what that same product can deliver?That sentence is just forcing too much, Im sorry.

And Im considering that these revisions are made to serve different kind of audiences and tastes.The problem here is that making a Switch mini or a Switch TV will compromise Nintendo vision of what they want their console to be, and most importantly, the console value and the brand that is growing surrounding it, namely being a versatile system.And in my suggestion, Nintendo would be serving everyone.The base model, the one we have now, would be the cheapest one available and appeal to the mass market in general(and both to the ones that prefer handheld or home consoles).By 2 or 3 years time, it will be between 50 to 100 dollars cheaper, and have a bundle that will amke its value go much higher(Imagine it bundled with a Mario Kart, Zelda, or even Super Mario game.Hell, maybe even 2 games).And for those that want a system that can last longer, they would make a revision that uses Tegra X2 or some more efficient chip, with a better screen resolution and a bigger battery, so that the games can run more smoothly(less fps drops, better draw distance, those kinds of things) that would benefit both sides of the console(handheld and home console) that would also have a more premium price.

With that strategy, you would check all the boxes.Keep what the Switch is about intact, but have revision to boost up sales and keep the interest on the system going.As long as people think that the system is worth buying, and that you will be receiving the bang for your buck, you can charge as much as you like.You dont need to drop the price off the a precipice to keep the system selling 4 years from now.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

After the GB/GBA/DS/3DS I'd be surprised if the Switch doesn't see at least one other version. My guess is either Xl or mini seem likely possibilities.



Nautilus said:
Miyamotoo said:

Doesn't really matters, 3D was main feature of 3DS, not to mention DS screen form factor and design, and Nintendo ditch both things with 2DS. Why!? Because they wanted to offer 3DS platform and lower price point, and they know there will not be any confusion. Switch concept is difrent, but that doesnt mean that Nintendo cant relase smaller Switch at lower price point just for handheld play. And, there want be any confusion, much smaller price point (around $100 less than regualar Switch), much smaller box, point that cant be played at home on TV, while regular Switch will still be around $100 more expensive, big box, comes with dock and two detachable Joycons.

When 3DS dies price will be big issue in any case for Nintendo, beacuse 3DS curently has price point from $80-200, while Switch is $300, when 3DS dies Nintendo will need lower price point $150-200 instead of 3DS, and Switch Mini/Pocket will perfectly fit there, especially because current Switch isn't exactly most practical for people who prefer only handheld play (its biger and bettery life isnt great). Not to mentione that some same people intend to buy multiple versions of hardware, you have plenty of 3DS owners that have 2 ore more 3DS units.

Also you need to consider that Nintendo with revisions not that just only have different price points and offer different types of revisions that suits for different type of people, but they constantly busting sales evre new revision and extends life of platform. And like I wrote, oeople need to realise that Switch is unfided Nintendo platform, and that Nintendo will not have any more separate handheld and separate home console platforms, with that on mind Switch like hybrid device will have multiple different type of revisions with difrent price points that will all be part of same platform, something similar like 3DS has.

Switch Mini/Pocket actually makes most sense with all that on mind, and I am sure we will have one, and probably Switch Mini/Pocket will be first revision that Switch will receive.

First of all, you are making ALOT of assumptions here.Big leaps in logic.Like when the 3DS finally dies, Nintendp would need to lower the Switch price to 150 - 200.Why is that necessary?The most popular 3DS version is the one that costs 200 dollars or something really close to that, and the 3DS is a far inferior product than the Switch(in terms of what the hardware itself offers).Its the same thing that people said back at January and February,that the Switch might have a hard time selling at the 300 dollars back when it launched.And we all know how that turned out to be.

And it does matter.3D was a big flop for Nintendo(the feautre itself).No developer used it effectivelly, and even Nintendo barely touched it.Worse of all, pratically nobody used the 3D in the games.Not to mention that it contained health risks for children.All in all, it was a failed idea.The Switch concept of being a hybrid console is a very different thing.Its something widely accepted as extremely smart, and is part to the identity to the console, much more than the 3D ever was for the 3DS.Saying that this distinction doesnt matter is the same thing as saying that PSVR or any kind of other VR will fail because the Virtual Boy, one of the first VR inspired products, has failed.Its a stupid comparison, because the devices have managed to implement their features with different levels of success.

And the 2DS having a different form factor than the DS is nonsensical.What the hell the design of the products has anything to do with what that same product can deliver?That sentence is just forcing too much, Im sorry.

And Im considering that these revisions are made to serve different kind of audiences and tastes.The problem here is that making a Switch mini or a Switch TV will compromise Nintendo vision of what they want their console to be, and most importantly, the console value and the brand that is growing surrounding it, namely being a versatile system.And in my suggestion, Nintendo would be serving everyone.The base model, the one we have now, would be the cheapest one available and appeal to the mass market in general(and both to the ones that prefer handheld or home consoles).By 2 or 3 years time, it will be between 50 to 100 dollars cheaper, and have a bundle that will amke its value go much higher(Imagine it bundled with a Mario Kart, Zelda, or even Super Mario game.Hell, maybe even 2 games).And for those that want a system that can last longer, they would make a revision that uses Tegra X2 or some more efficient chip, with a better screen resolution and a bigger battery, so that the games can run more smoothly(less fps drops, better draw distance, those kinds of things) that would benefit both sides of the console(handheld and home console) that would also have a more premium price.

With that strategy, you would check all the boxes.Keep what the Switch is about intact, but have revision to boost up sales and keep the interest on the system going.As long as people think that the system is worth buying, and that you will be receiving the bang for your buck, you can charge as much as you like.You dont need to drop the price off the a precipice to keep the system selling 4 years from now.

There are all very logical assumptions based on facts. Its nesscery to have lower price point on market beause Switch will be only Nintendo platform, and Nintendo always had lower price point. Current Switch will maybe still be most popular despite future revisions, but it's always good to have different price points in any case, why do you think Nintendo has price point for 3DS from $80 to $200 and had 6 revisions!?

Doesn't really matter, point is that released revision of hardware that is completely different from 3DS. Switch will still exist in current state, but point of Switch Mini/Pocket is to offer Switch platform at lower price point to users who don't need home console use, and that's totally logical.

DS means Dual Screen, and 3DS has dual screen same like DS, 2DS has just one screen that has bar between two parts of one screen.

Again, Switch Mini/Pocket does not compromise anything, you will still have standard Switch, Switch will still exist in current state, but point of Switch Mini/Pocket is to offer Switch platform at lower price point to users who don't need home console use, to wider offer of Switch platform, and that's totally logical. Current Switch can be cheaper around $50-100 in around 2 years, but Switch Mini/Pocket would be cheaper around $100 in any case than curent Switch. You look at Switch just like current state hardware, but you need to start looking it like unified Nintendo platform that will of course have lotsa different types of revisions.

We saw what Nintendo done with 3DS, there is not doubt they will do something similar with Switch, difference is that Switch like hybrid offer much more opportunities for different type of hardware revisions, especially with point that Switch will be only platform where Nintendo will not have separate handheld and separate home console platform, so we will have Switch Mini/Pocket, or Switch XL/Pro, Switch TV/home, Switch VR...even if they don't have all Switch concept (that they are home console and handheld in same time), point is that they will be all part of same Switch platform and they will use same games.



What you say makes a lot of sense OP. But something has to be done.

This year the Switch already got a perfect score on Famitsu with Zelda, and it may get another one with Odyssey.

Unless it's right at the end of the generation, usually when a console receives maximum scores from Famitsu this happens: it has a peak year and then drops dramatically the following year. It happened with the Dreamcast, the DS(phat), the Gamecube, the Xbox 360 and even the Wii.

When Nintendogs got a perfect score in 2005 Nintendo relaunched the DS with the Lite line... "Nintendo DS" died the following year. They have to do something similar with the Switch or it may be in trouble IMO. I don't care what they do.

I think they could expand internal memory and make the battery last much longer by reducing the chip set. They could also add a simple camera to improve interface, and a microphone if it doesn't have one. There's definitely ways they could revise it.