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ArchangelMadzz on 04 August 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Criminally negligent manslaughter.  She had the power, and therefore responsibility, to prevent the suicide but instead she encouraged it.  She was a direct insitigating factor in his death.  She is therefore complicit. 

If people choose to kill themselves then they have every right to do that. Nobody has a responsibility to stop them, or should be punished for not doing so.

But if the messages are anything to go by it is reasonable to believe he wouldn't have killed himself if it wasn't for her. 

She continuously reminded him that he 'had' to do it, that he said he would and must do it. Even though he was 'stalling' in her words and had things coming up, his reluctancy was obvious. She continuously manipulated him using language commonly found in child groomers to get him to commit suicide. 

It's not like he said he wanted to do it and she said 'yeah sure go for it' that is no where near what happened here. 



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Aeolus451 on 04 August 2017
ArchangelMadzz said:
Aeolus451 said:

Any recording of them actually talking about this or records of them communicating before all that? The reason why I'm asking if just about anything is damning on text because emotions can't be conveyed through it easily or you can't read facial reactions/body language or the tone of their voice. 

I still think she shouldn't go to jail over it. There are couples out there pushing for legal suicide for one of them while the other is supporting their choice. 

 

Aeolus451 said:

It was still his choice. I don't know their history or either of them so I'm trying to be as objective as possible over it. Isn't there couples pushing for legal suicide? That's what makes this sort of thing complicated in my opinion.


I feel this is one of those situations where you thought something was what it wasn't because you didn't bother looking into it. And now you can see it is different than you thought you'll do anything to prevent looking silly. 

No. I still believe she shouldn't have to went to any jail over it even with the texts. *shrugs



Aeolus451 on 04 August 2017
SpokenTruth said:
Ka-pi96 said:

If people choose to kill themselves then they have every right to do that. Nobody has a responsibility to stop them, or should be punished for not doing so.

Spoken like someone that has never dealt with mental illness in their family.

You're assuming that because he doesn't have the same opinion as you?



Aeolus451 on 04 August 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Criminally negligent manslaughter.  She had the power, and therefore responsibility, to prevent the suicide but instead she encouraged it.  She was a direct insitigating factor in his death.  She is therefore complicit. 

If people choose to kill themselves then they have every right to do that. Nobody has a responsibility to stop them, or should be punished for not doing so.

I agree with that. 



malistix1985 on 05 August 2017

killing someone with a gun or with text messages there is little difference, she deserves the punishment and even more so because he clearly trusted/cared for her and did what she wanted.

He died for her but not in a good way (like protecting her) but he wasn't well mentally and she abused that power to make him kill hisself.

I wonder why she did what she did, we will proberbly never know




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JWeinCom on 05 August 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

But if the messages are anything to go by it is reasonable to believe he wouldn't have killed himself if it wasn't for her. 

She continuously reminded him that he 'had' to do it, that he said he would and must do it. Even though he was 'stalling' in her words and had things coming up, his reluctancy was obvious. She continuously manipulated him using language commonly found in child groomers to get him to commit suicide. 

It's not like he said he wanted to do it and she said 'yeah sure go for it' that is no where near what happened here. 

It`s not exactly hard to ignore messages. Like when those Nigerian "princes" send out messages, most people don`t want to give away all of their money, so they don`t. So if somebody is sending you messages telling you to kill yourself it`s the exact same thing. If you don`t want to, you can just ignore them.

Actually, it can be really hard to ignore messages.  You just happened to pick out the shittiest example of persuasion possible.  But, in other situations, the messages can be much harder to ignore.  If you doubt that people can be persuaded by words, see the Milgram Experiments, Nazi Germany, the Bolshevik Revolution, religion, and so on.  



sc94597 on 05 August 2017
JWeinCom said:
I can't see the justification for any jail time. I don't see who it benefits. She needs mental help. Maybe institutionalization.

Agreed, she needs to be sent to a mental health professional, not a prison. 



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AlfredoTurkey on 05 August 2017

We have become a society of victims unable to bear responsibility for our own actions.



Puppyroach on 05 August 2017

Depending on how vulnerable the person in question was, she should face far more time in prison. It sounds like she is a psychopath and tgose kinds of people love to take advantage of people in weak positions and manipulate them.