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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trump Announces Ban on Transgender People in US Military

 

You support this?

No. 206 29.68%
 
Yes. 311 44.81%
 
^ What the hell is wrong ... 177 25.50%
 
Total:694
Jumpin on 30 July 2017

Donald Trump, the great Regressive.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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Harkins1721 on 30 July 2017

Serving is fine. However no one should have to pay for your transition surgery.



monocle_layton on 30 July 2017
Hiku said:



Regarding the medical costs for transgender soldiers:



It's just an excuse.
Surprise surprise.

Everyone knows you need to be erect like a rock when you fight for freedom!



sethnintendo on 30 July 2017

He needs to stop making "policy changes" through tweets and use official procedures. Basically the Pentagon told him to fuck off unless he actually transmit the request officially.



FIT_Gamer on 30 July 2017
Harkins1721 said:
Serving is fine. However no one should have to pay for your transition surgery.

They only pay for non-surgical procedures. 



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Koupa on 30 July 2017

Perfectly understandable.

The mentally ill should not be in the military and trusted with weapons.



Aeolus451 on 30 July 2017
Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:


1. I've talked to alot of the gay community, read things by gay/trans, watch vids youtubes from some of them on some of this. The family and friends of a gay/trans not accepting and supporting is devasting to that person and it's more damaging than what some people on the net say to that person.

Considering Youtube is a place where people find fabricated evidence that the world is "flat". - Need I say more?

Talking, reading is one thing. Living it is an entirely different kettle of fish.
It's a shame you cannot be placed within the shoes of someone in the LGBTQI community, your eyes might be opened.

Aeolus451 said:

4. This what I was referring to in 2. i don't have need a vagina to understand women's issues. You're dismissing others' opinion because they are in the same club.

So you have an understanding of the stigma LGBTQI suffer on a daily basis?
You understand the fear that LGBTQI go through when they travel overseas and their life could potentially be put at risk for how they were born?

You understand the pain women go through during child birth or when they are having their period?

To think you understand any of these issues on a personal level is... Hilarious to say the least.

Aeolus451 said:

5. I turned your arguement around so you can see the stupidity and hypocrisy of it. You're very much saying that I can't have an opinion or a say. You did it with 4. Again, using an example to show my point is not a strawman.

This pretty much sums up the entire conversation, the twisting of statesments/intention. - You took my argument out of context and THEN turned it around, not the same thing.

I explicitely stated you are entitled to have an opinion. Do I really need to quote myself?

I think I will end the conversation here, clearly your view is very anti-LGBTQI and thus goes against everything I stand for. I'm sorry I am not willing to treat others differently because of false preconceptions or some kind of desire to dictate what someone can or can't do due to the various reproductive organs that they may/may not posses. Hopefully that changes for you some day.

 

Agree to disagree. We're just going in circles. You're contradicting yourself. For the record, I'm not anti-gay/trans and pro any of that. It's more of an issue by issue basis for me on this kind of stuff, some of what I believe falls onto the left side and some of it on the right. I think you're being extremely close minded about outsiders to your little club, though.



Aeolus451 on 30 July 2017
Hiku said:
Aeolus451 said:

"A regular person who has their level of mental health issues wouldn't be allowed in. Isn't that how identity politics work?"

I don't see how that changes the meaning of "They were allowed in because they were trans, not because they were qualified per se."?
That you specified what you meant by "not qualified"?

Since I specifically asked you "How it is you know that every transgender person with "that level" of mental issues is not turned away at the door like everyone else who fails the psychological evaluation?" I thought it was pretty clear that your reasoning for why they weren't qualified was understood.

Yes, that's the summarized version of the process. You're not quite choosing your roles but the roles you would like. Availability could change and you might not get the role ya want. It also depends on the branch of the military. It's been awhile since I checked into that stuff so that might have

Sure. But we know for a fact that there are transgender people in roles with life and death responsibility. Former Navy Seal Team 6 member Kristen Beck for example.

It's meant to be read together. You're fixating on that one part.

Was Kristen Beck trasistioning while she was on the seals team or before it or did she after? 



FIT_Gamer on 30 July 2017
Koupa said:
Perfectly understandable.

The mentally ill should not be in the military and trusted with weapons.

What about the non-transgender mentally ill that will still be allowed to serve? Or former soldiers who are mentally ill that are trusted and allowed to purchase weapons as civilians?



FIT_Gamer on 30 July 2017
Aeolus451 said:

It's meant to be read together. You're fixating on that one part.

Was Kristen Beck trasistioning while she was on the seals team or before it or did she after? 

Does it matter? She was already in the mindstate of someone that was transgendered as a teenager.