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Paperboy_J said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

The internet wasn't really what we were told it would be. For every good thing it has given this world, just as many bad things have come with it as well. The ability for charismatic nut jobs to influence the average human being, who's IQ is not up to snuff and able to sniff out a con-job, is there now. It works like a digital flute whereby millions of people are able to be led off a cliff of lies and misinformation. I really don't know how to fix the problem without taking everything off the grid.

I know personally, if some super hacker group DOES take us back to the pre-internet days, I won't cry over it. Way too many digusting things will be gone for me to care about the few good things I'd be losing.

I'm with ya on that one.  I wish there was a different version of the internet that was for business and nothing else.  You could pay your bills online, shop online, maybe there would be an email service too, but that's it.

But at the end of the day it wouldn't change anything.  If there were no internet they'd come to your door.  People are always going to find ways to manipulate the masses, just like they have since the dawn of man.

There is such a version as this.  It's called self control.  The internet is just a tool.  You are the one who uses it how you wish.



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Barozi said:
naruball said:

Yeah, never heard any parents going to jail here over something like that, but technically that's the law, so everyone sends their kids to school till then whether they want to or not.

Certainly happened here and there in Germany. 6 month in prison is the maximum punishment.

That's good to know. Vaccines are even more important so here's hoping goverments implement similar measures against people who refuse to do them.



Mnementh said:
S.Peelman said:

Lol, I'd love to see someone then explain how we can also see the moon during daytime.

Well, you can project in daylight. But the moon shows always the same side, how should this happen if it is NOT a projection? Hmm, explain that!

You would need a... very powerful projector, to say the least.



I wonder why they believe that governments and the likes just tell us the world is a globe. For what exactly would they do that?

I mean, it sounds pretty expensive to fake everything just to fool people and for what? Just for the lulz or why?

Same with 9/11, why should they blow up WTC 7? I mean, that would have been only one more area where they could have been caught in manipulating the building the weeks before. As if blowing up WTC 1+2 wouldn't be enough...



S.Peelman said:
Mnementh said:

Well, you can project in daylight. But the moon shows always the same side, how should this happen if it is NOT a projection? Hmm, explain that!

You would need a... very powerful projector, to say the least.

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This image was linked in the description of your first video:

http://i.imgur.com/ewLBM1u.png

Does anyone know what all of this means? Or is it all just nonsense?



Peh said:

What happened? Is there a leak at one of the many sanatoriums out there or did the patients got their own access to the internet?

The freeflow of information... Aka. The Internet is a double edged sword.
As freely as legitimate information is allowed to propogate, then so too is non-legitimate information.

Peh said:

They appareantly have huge amount of evidence on their hands and the arguments are just.... bollocks. Ok? Thus are simply stupid. I've watched too many of these videos and I am just pissed about them. I am ashamed of calling myself a human being.

 

Mostly they reinforce their belief due to their specific interpretation of the Bible.
I have had so many debates with flat earthers... And yet to find one who hasn't been religious. (Not saying they don't exist, but they seem to be the norm.)

Keep asking them for evidence and that evidence requires citations. That memes and youtube videos are not evidence.

Peh said:

People believe that if a plane is flying straight it will eventually end up in space because of...reasons. No seriously...they think that gravity doesn't exist. Ignore the laws of physics like kinetic energy and that planes need air for staying in the sky.

They also believe we are under a glass dome and that the outside of the flat-earth is surrounded by a giant ice wall.

Peh said:

It gets better: Chemtrails!!!! Those evil gases being emitted by planes to mind control us all. Why? BECAUSE ....REASONS!!!

Such conspiracy theories have been floating around for years now and are gaining traction, especially amongst the extreme far-right groups.

Peh said:

Yes, moon conspiracy is still up to date like it first originated, they've just added more crap to it.

And 9/11 seems to calmed down a lot from my perspective.

But yeah, as long as people think that science is a belief system, a theoligical position like atheism a religion, and gravity and evolution just a theory then welcome to idiotism. 

The moon landing happened. You just need to refer them to the reflectors that are left up on the moon and have been verified for decades. Even Myth Busters did a show on it.

vivster said:
NintendoPie said:
Be careful about using the word "idiot" around these parts, sir.

Too many targets to hit?

I died.

Peh said:

It really begs the question if these people actually went to school as children. But I also heard that conspiracy theorists can suffer from some kind of mental disorder like paranoid schizophrenia.


It's not really paranoid schizophrenia. They have literally been led to believe that they have "discovered" this information, done the research themselves via staring at facebook memes and youtube video's and came up with their own conclusion.

It's on the internet so it must be true, right?

They then spend inordinate amounts of time reinforcing their confirmation bias. It's a toxic circle.

Peh said:

Yes, I know of young earth creationists and their biggest apologists. Funny enough is that some are fighting with the flat earth believers. The one side saying God created a flat earth and the other one saying that God created a spinning ball. It's like crap vs shit. 

 

But I don't wanna make it a thread about religion, because we all know how they end.

Poo would be flung.

I believe in evidence-based approaches. For all aspects of life.

My dealings with some big flat earth facebook group discussions is that, no one actually has any real evidence to justify their belief. Just that all the current round-earth evidence is somehow false.
And apparantly Physics is some kind of devil magic or Pseudoscience and is thus somehow false because opinions.

Paperboy_J said:

Don't forget: Science has been wrong about a ton of stuff as well.  People have died because of scientific beliefs that turned out to be untrue.

And it's that kind of thinking that Anti-Vaxxers exist and are growing, destroying the herd immunity concept for those that truly need to be protected via immunization, but cannot. Which results in lives lost.
And reverses any trends we had at eradicating some diseases.

It is because of such thinking that there are people who believe the world is flat.

It's because of such anti-scientific approaches that have led to an increase in conspiracy theories like 9/11 being an inside job, chemtrails, that we have the cure for cancer but won't make it public, moon landing is a hoax, that Marijuana is a miracle drug that can cure a ton of ailments like cancer, holocaust didn't happen and so much more.

No longer is it important to "know" everything anymore and be well educated.
What is ultimately more important is knowing how to get the information you need and how to glean what is accurate and what is not.
Clearly people en-masse are faltering at that. That's not okay.

There needs to be trust in science. Such rhetoric erodes that in favour of facebook memes.

Mnementh said:
S.Peelman said:

Lol, I'd love to see someone then explain how we can also see the moon during daytime.

Well, you can project in daylight. But the moon shows always the same side, how should this happen if it is NOT a projection? Hmm, explain that!

The moon rotates while it orbits Earth.

However the amount of time it takes to rotate is the same amount of time it takes for it to go around the Earth. Thus the same face is always facing the Earth.

Besides. If it was a projection you couldn't have an eclipse.

thismeintiel said:

 Science has brought us many great advances in medicine and technology, but that doesn't mean it's infallible.

Science has NEVER claimed it was infallible.

The difference between science and religion is simple.

One is willing to change it's view point as new information, evidence and models is made available. - The other is stuck thousands of years in the past.

Flilix said:

This image was linked in the description of your first video:

http://i.imgur.com/ewLBM1u.png

Does anyone know what all of this means? Or is it all just nonsense?

In that context it is just nonsense.



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Flilix said:

This image was linked in the description of your first video:

http://i.imgur.com/ewLBM1u.png

Does anyone know what all of this means? Or is it all just nonsense?

It is literally just the Pythagorean theorem, computing the distance between a circle and a straight line at various points.  There is absolutely no physical measurement of anything in this table (aside from the radius of the Earth which I hope is non-controversial), just spreadsheet calculations, and therefore nothing in this table can itself be physical evidence of any claim.  The fact that this single-formula spreadsheet is dressed up to look important with 4 people claiming explicit, dated ownership, arcane methodology, and multiple mathematically redundant formulas suggests to me that whoever made this table is a crackpot with only a junior high-school understanding of math.



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Pemalite said:

They also believe we are under a glass dome and that the outside of the flat-earth is surrounded by a giant ice wall.

Giant ice wall? Sounds like they've been watching too much Game of Thrones



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