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Azuren said:
Both could have been prevented if the DNC hadn't set Bernie up to lose.

Maybe if Bernie had tried to gain allies in the DNC instead of calling them all names then hoping for support, he would have won.  Bernie is more to blame trying to come into a established party and trying to flip it to his own ends then trying to establish support first, win then flip it.



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Machiavellian said:
Azuren said:
Both could have been prevented if the DNC hadn't set Bernie up to lose.

Maybe if Bernie had tried to gain allies in the DNC instead of calling them all names then hoping for support, he would have won.  Bernie is more to blame trying to come into a established party and trying to flip it to his own ends then trying to establish support first, win then flip it.

That's a very weak argument against the system opposition the DNC gave him in favor of Clinton.



WolfpackN64 said:
Machiavellian said:

Maybe if Bernie had tried to gain allies in the DNC instead of calling them all names then hoping for support, he would have won.  Bernie is more to blame trying to come into a established party and trying to flip it to his own ends then trying to establish support first, win then flip it.

That's a very weak argument against the system opposition the DNC gave him in favor of Clinton.

Not weak at all.  What do you think if Bernie decided to go GOP.  Do you think they would have welcome him with open arms with his socialistic views.  At every speaking convention, Bernie burned his bridges by labeling the DNC as a problem but forget he needed the DNC support to win.  How do you think he would get those super delegate votes without the DNC members support.  Politics is politics and burning the people you need to win and expecting them to support you was dumb.  He was an outsider trying to flip an already established political party.  As an outsider he should have sought support within the DNC and shone how he compared to Hillary with his less baggage but he didn't.  Even still, he did not win either the popular vote or the super delegate so he had no chance anyway.



Pagan said:
I am living in Switzerland but from outside, i cant see any difference between trump and hillary. Sanders seems trustable but the two candidates are both corrupt.

While that may be true, the difference between Trump and Hillary is still pretty obvious. Hillary is the typical politician: hypocrite and out of touch with the people. Trump on the other hand, is the typical businessman: arrogant and selfish.



WolfpackN64 said:
Superman4 said:

This is where the unions are hurting american jobs. Why would a company stay in the US if they are forced to hire Union employees at inflated rates?  They can move overseas, not pay medical benefits, high wages or retirement and rake in the savings. They still wont pass that savings onto the consumer.

That's what the companies would say even when their income is more then healthy. If you think unions are the devil, fine, go and de-unionse the whole US. I'd wonder how long it takes for you to go back to early industrial age exploitation capitalism.

Unions were needed in the past because we did not have many if any labor laws in place. There was no minimum wage and employees were at the mercy of the employer. We now have extensive federal and state laws regarding minimum wage, discrimination, hiring and firing practices etc. Unions in essence are no longer needed and really just end up taking employees’ money and requiring the employee make more to compensate. 



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m0ney said:
These are my fav discussions on vgchartz although I'm not knowledgeable enough to participate.

Lol me to. When it comes to politics I'm just lost.



Superman4 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

That's what the companies would say even when their income is more then healthy. If you think unions are the devil, fine, go and de-unionse the whole US. I'd wonder how long it takes for you to go back to early industrial age exploitation capitalism.

Unions were needed in the past because we did not have many if any labor laws in place. There was no minimum wage and employees were at the mercy of the employer. We now have extensive federal and state laws regarding minimum wage, discrimination, hiring and firing practices etc. Unions in essence are no longer needed and really just end up taking employees’ money and requiring the employee make more to compensate. 

Unions ARE necessary. There are so many labor cases where unions are needed to this day. What do you think will happen when there are no more unions? Companies are just going to let you keep all your rights? You're very naive.



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Your "rights" are dictated by the law. The Unions do not control the law and cannot act outside the law. What the Unions can do is provide the employee with legal help if and when they have an issue as well as fight for all union employees to have the same equal pay, seniority based system and medical benefits. This all of course comes at a cost to both employee and company. The employees however can fight for the same rights without the union and during the hiring process can negotiate salary and benefits.



WolfpackN64 said:
And this is why states should be able to seize assets of profit-turning companies who decide to relocate overseas. The extra profit through wages in China is going to be small, but every bit of margin for stock holders is welcome it seems. These companies have no morals.

Hmmm... government seizing control of private assets.  I think there's a word for that... believe it begins with an "f".



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.