Do people game on Wifi? Eww...

in fact you cant bult an equivalant pc for any console price, 

Well, yeah.

I don't either. Ethernet cable master race?

Ka-pi96 said: Bet you could upgrade a PC to the same (or better) specs for less than $500 though

That's what a lot of people forget to mention. Windows 10? What if I already have it? Stuff like that...

There's no doubt that X1X represents a good value in terms of price:power ratio. But, it remains to be seen whether devs will make use of that power. X1X is not a PC. It is not going to have the same level of user-customized settings, to ensure that the power is put to use. If devs make good use of it, then it could be argued that an X1X is a better purchase than an entry level gaming rig, for some people.

The other big factor that renders this math less relevant - upgradability. X1X, presumably, has none. So, while it may be equivalent to getting a $700 gaming rig for $500 at launch, it is not as good as that gaming rig 3 years down the line. At that point, the X1X will still have the same power. The gaming rig, if the owner wishes, could have a lot more. That upgrading costs money, of course. So, that complicates the math even more.

To put this all another way, X1X should not be compared to a gaming rig. It simply isn't one. It has traits that some people may find preferable to a PC, and other traits that other people may find inferior.

It is also difficult to evaluate the value of an X1X as a console. That's because we hadn't really seen this kind of mid-gen upgrade before the PS4 Pro. And, that's only 7 months of data to look at. We don't know whether devs will make use of the power. We don't know whether the console will sell enough units to make that a worthwhile use of development resources. We don't know if the XB2 software will be compatible with X1X (same on the PS side), or if distinct generations are gone forever.

I think we need a few years, or maybe even longer, to see how this is all going to play out. As one who enjoys watching the business of gaming evolve, I find this period to be very exciting. Things are changing, and that's fun to think about, talk about on VGC, and to observe.

Curious on why you need Bluray Drive and 1Tb HDD to play Forza 7 in 4k60fps. That and some other changes could make the difference pretty minimal when it launches.

Anyway for me it's a good price for the HW, but the games I want aren't there.

Maybe because some people will actually be using the XBOX to watch 4k blurays so they want to add all functionality.

Wouldn't it be cheaper for MS because they buy wholesale, and thus can sell it for less? Unlike here, where you're buying from multiple different sellers, and not in bulk, so you end up paying more.

And we are talking about running Forza and other X1X games on the same level. But sure if you want the drive you can buy it. Funny enough people say at the same time that physical media is dying and them go to ask a drive.

Yes I would like better APUs for Notebooks for a good price.