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The Xbox One X's main competition is...

PS4 Pro 93 31.31%
 
Xbox One S 5 1.68%
 
Switch 28 9.43%
 
PS4 Slim 15 5.05%
 
Other 19 6.40%
 
Phil is an asshole. 137 46.13%
 
Total:297
celador on 14 June 2017

i'm sure Sony and Nintendo agree



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Aeolus451 on 14 June 2017

No, Don....(opps I meant Phil) playstation has no competition. Nintendo is doing it's own thing and xbox lurks about playstation's shadow. Stop trying to spin everything like CNN, Phil.



Roronaa_chan on 14 June 2017

What's the discussion? He's correct, there's no competition because the X can't compete with anything. His logic is in the right place



DonFerrari on 14 June 2017
Errorist76 said:
spemanig said:

The XBOS was a mid generation upgrade, too. A smaller one. Like the PS4 Pro.

Do you see the quote start to make sense, now?

The XB1S wasn't really an upgrade at all...those few MHZ overclocking don't make a difference. It's more of a revision. And no, it's a PR spin and doesn't make sense at all. It's arrogant even.

Worse is the excuse that PS4 Pro is a revision and X1X isn't because X1X is releasing 1 year after X1S... he probably ignored PS4slim



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JustThatGamer on 14 June 2017

News just in: Phil Spencer is full of shit.



https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/173867/ps1-vs-ps2-vs-ps3-vs-ps4-90-exclusives/1/

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Hynad on 14 June 2017
LivingMetal said:

"I look at Pro as more of a competitor to S than I do to Xbox One X. This is a true 4K console. If you just look at the specs of what this box is, it’s in a different league than any other console that’s out there. When I think about techniques to somehow manufacture a 4K screen like what some other consoles try to do, this is different than that. This is 40% more GPU."

-Phil Spencer, Head of Xbox

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/06/13/xbox-boss-sees-ps4-pro-vs-xbox-one-xas-more-of-a-competitor/

Ya. I just had to put it out there.

But... The Ps4 Pro is over 50% more GPU compared to the XBO S...




Zuttasoxx on 14 June 2017

PS4 vs Xbox one: PS4 had 40% more GPU power than Xbox One. Did third party games looked noticeably better on PS4? Nope.
PS4 pro vs XBOX one X: Xbox now has 40% more graphical power (and on top more ram), but I doubt that third parties would go through the effort of using that extra power.

Bottomline: Third parties will go with the lowest common denominator. Whilst the only way to truly use full power of your console is first party games. And in that department MS is serious lacking.



KLAMarine on 14 June 2017

"Phil is an asshole"

Was respectful disagreement not an option?



DonFerrari on 14 June 2017
Hynad said:
LivingMetal said:

"I look at Pro as more of a competitor to S than I do to Xbox One X. This is a true 4K console. If you just look at the specs of what this box is, it’s in a different league than any other console that’s out there. When I think about techniques to somehow manufacture a 4K screen like what some other consoles try to do, this is different than that. This is 40% more GPU."

-Phil Spencer, Head of Xbox

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2017/06/13/xbox-boss-sees-ps4-pro-vs-xbox-one-xas-more-of-a-competitor/

Ya. I just had to put it out there.

But... The Ps4 Pro is over 50% more GPU compared to the XBO S...

PS4Pro is actually 200% more GPU compared to XBOX S



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

superchunk on 14 June 2017

I feel like most consumers make this buying decision in terms of game consoles.

 

  1. What consoles play gameList ?
  2. How much do they cost?
  3. Which console do my friends have or are buying?
  4. Which one costs the least that has the critical features I want?
What then happens in real life is the average gamer (taking Nintendo out of the equation) will end up making a platform decision based on gamesList and then cost and friends.  
That means for any given variation of an XboxOne or PS4, the direct competitor is actually within itself. Once someone decides an Xbox is best, then they'll decide fi they want the S or and X and same goes for PS4 vs Pro. 
For my own perspective:
  • I bought a Switch (and WiiU) because my gamesList is dominated by Nintendo IPs.
  • I bought an Xbox One because my family and friends all owned an Xbox One and my kids wanted to play with their friends and cousins.
I knew PS4 was a more powerful system at largely the same price. I knew PS4 had the special SWBattlefront Edition I wanted. In the end the gamesList between the two was almost identical for what I or my kids intended to buy, cost was equal but friends were on Xbox.

This is why focusing on the raw power as the defining sales pitch for your console is stupid. PS4 isn't selling the most because it was the most powerful. It is selling the most because it had a similar gameList, lower/equal price and wasn't dragged down by launch day negativity that plagued XboxOne. This lead to most folks friend groups going PS4 which propelled others to decide that way as well.
I'd argue MS Xbox S (4K at low price) was a better product to compete directly against PS4 / Pro. X should have been built to be priced $100 cheaper. With the same or arguably less content, no one is going to consider paying more for it vs PS4 outside of the US where their friends may already have Xbox.. and even then they'll choose an S.