The XBOS was a mid generation upgrade, too. A smaller one. Like the PS4 Pro.

Do you see the quote start to make sense, now?

I like Phil when he's putting fanboys in their place. Not so much when he's in PR spin mode, which invariably gets taken as gospel and console war ammo by the same fanboys he's shot down in the past.

(Admittedly, going after fanboys is also a PR move, but at least it's entertaining and hopefully serves as a reality check.)

It still doesn't make sense to me because a second mid gen upgrade doesn't change the competition factor.

Now, if the Scorpio was its own Gen9 system (like say the Switch is) and they said no competition I would agree.  They are focused on new games on a new platform with exclusive availability (and presumably still BC) but they arent.

See, but now you're overanylizing. Obviously every console is competing with each other. Even the 3DS is competing with the XBOX. That's not what he's talking about here.

And he didn't say it had no competition. He said PS4 Pro was more of a competitor to the XBOS then to the XBOX. He's literally just talking about hardware tiers here. Again, people are working way to hard to demonize a harmless comment.

Then I would say that he is being remarkably short-sighted for a guy in charge of a division for a huge company like Microsoft.  The consumers will look at it as PS4 Slim vs XB1S and PS4Pro vs XB1X.  Price points will drive this.  He can have his view all he wants, and he can try to spin it all he wants.  Fact is when a mainstream consumer is looking at the 4 offerings that is how they are gonna pair them and decide on which to buy.  That makes the Pro the X competition, not the S.

Not in competition with the Pro? It's almost as if MS are positioning the XBX as a new generation ...

You don't even need an Xbox console since pretty much all their games is playable on PC.

I think it's in competition with itself lol

You honestly think the PS4 Pro was a small upgrade from the PS4 Slim...?

No, it was a redesign, not an upgrade. I mean there should be like a 5% boost in power in one of its components if I remember right, but the way it outputs games is the same. Just like the PSP->PSP Slim redesign was.

The XoX is in direct competition for the core gamers money not only with the PS4P but unfortunatly for them with the PS4 Slim as well. And that is simply something that they wont be able to win, no matter what the future holds.

He's not spinning anything. XBOS came out last year, was more powerful, could upscale to 4K, could do HDR, etc. This is at around the same time the Pro launched.

XBOX comes out a year later, isolated from everything else, with a completely different price point and message. And again, he's not saying there's no competition. He's saying Pro is more of a XBOS competitor than an XBOX competitor. The Pro is a more mainstream device upgrade while the XBOX is clearly a niche enthusiast piece of hardware.